Pings with IDNet

Willie · Oct 30, 2006, 13:01:20

Hi all,

with Metronet currently and having real trouble with Ping/latency over their network....i am a big online gamer and looking for a really good low ping isp....whats their max product like bearing in mind interleaving is turned on with Max and i have found this raises ping quite a bit, reason i ask is i was on 2mb then wnet to Max found it gave me terrible pings ('cos of the interleaving protocol) then went back to 2mb which is currently ok ish....any feed back would be great guys....all reviews and ratings look good so far but need to know about the ping....;-)

thx in advance

Willie

stevie0573 · Oct 30, 2006, 13:50:38

Hi m8,

I think the pings are great (well they are for me

) im a gamer aswell and recently on bf2142 uk servers im getting between 14-18ms with max adsl, MMO's are a little different and in city of heroes i get between 120-150ms which is perfectly normal.

also just done this to show you
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Owner>ping www.bbc.co.uk

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.86] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.224.86: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.86: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.86: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.86: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=249

Ping statistics for 212.58.224.86:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 16ms, Maximum = 19ms, Average = 17ms

regards

steve

Nerval · Oct 30, 2006, 14:09:37

Interestingly, I've just done the same and got:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\>ping www.bbc.co.uk

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.227.77] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.227.77: bytes=32 time=401ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.227.77: bytes=32 time=425ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.227.77: bytes=32 time=664ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.227.77: bytes=32 time=482ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 212.58.227.77:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 401ms, Maximum = 664ms, Average = 493ms

I'm not a gamer, which is probably just as well.

I'm on the Home Max account, don't know if interleaving is on or not.

Lance · Oct 30, 2006, 14:11:55

Nerval - your ping shows a different IP to steve's which might explain the difference.

i normally get around 30ms now i have interleaving turned off. Prior to that i was getting around 60ms.

stevie0573 · Oct 30, 2006, 14:14:33

Damn someones gotta stop him downloading all them fetish films at the same time

im not sure if interleaving is on either

Nerval · Oct 30, 2006, 14:18:22

Here it is with the same IP then:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\>ping 212.58.224.86

Pinging 212.58.224.86 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.224.86: bytes=32 time=634ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.86: bytes=32 time=125ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.86: bytes=32 time=394ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.86: bytes=32 time=309ms TTL=249

Ping statistics for 212.58.224.86:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 125ms, Maximum = 634ms, Average = 365ms

stevie0573 · Oct 30, 2006, 14:23:23

Idnet loves me and now for the first time ever i leave you with this................

Nerval · Oct 30, 2006, 14:29:25

Puzzled.

Are pings as subject to the vagaries of the whole telephone system, local exchange, weather etc as any other broadband phenomenon?

Or is it an indication of a problem that something needs doing about?

stevie0573 · Oct 30, 2006, 14:38:35

I dont know m8 it could be a million and one things, ran it again this time with tracert aswell to see if that sheds any light.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Owner>ping www.bbc.co.uk

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.88] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.224.88: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.88: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.88: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.88: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=249

Ping statistics for 212.58.224.88:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 15ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 16ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Owner>tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.88]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms www.routerlogin.com [192.168.0.1]
2 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms telehouse-bb-gw1-vpdn.idnet.net [212.69.63.45]
3 18 ms 18 ms 17 ms telehouse-gw-bb.idnet.net [212.69.63.9]
4 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms rt-lonap-b.thdo.bbc.co.uk [193.203.5.91]
5 18 ms 19 ms 17 ms 212.58.238.149
6 19 ms 18 ms 17 ms 212.58.224.88

Trace complete.

Nerval · Oct 30, 2006, 14:55:54

So here it is with tracert as well. No better though:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\>tracert 212.58.224.88

Tracing route to 212.58.224.88 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms www.routerlogin.com [192.168.0.1]
2 113 ms 92 ms 107 ms telehouse-bb-gw1-vpdn.idnet.net [212.69.63.45]
3 104 ms 104 ms 99 ms telehouse-gw-bb.idnet.net [212.69.63.9]
4 95 ms 89 ms 98 ms rt-lonap-b.thdo.bbc.co.uk [193.203.5.91]
5 98 ms 94 ms 109 ms 212.58.238.149
6 103 ms 92 ms 87 ms 212.58.224.88

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\>tracert 212.58.224.88

Tracing route to 212.58.224.88 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms www.routerlogin.com [192.168.0.1]
2 80 ms 67 ms 66 ms telehouse-bb-gw1-vpdn.idnet.net [212.69.63.45]
3 389 ms 499 ms 367 ms telehouse-gw-bb.idnet.net [212.69.63.9]
4 83 ms 78 ms 75 ms rt-lonap-b.thdo.bbc.co.uk [193.203.5.91]
5 47 ms 47 ms 47 ms 212.58.238.149
6 44 ms 40 ms 40 ms 212.58.224.88

Trace complete.

Willie · Oct 30, 2006, 17:53:42

Hi guys,

thx for the super quick replies, always a good sign for an ISP if the firums are full of good vibes....

Stevie are you living in your exchange....lol....damn thats some good ping....i'm in N.Ireland and i'm pinging roughly 50 ish to the same ip so not too bad but thats on a 2mb ipstream connection as opposed to your Max datastream connection....ur getting good pings on Max bearing in mind u have interleaving turned on....hmmmm i'm very tempted to give it a whirl....

btw don't worry too much bout the different ip addresses you are pinging on the bbc site as they have a range of addresses to stop overloading when everyone and their dog are pinging them....;-)

Lance - you say you have interleaving turned off i assume on a Max product....how do you find the stability my other connection with MN had interleaving turned off and it was a complete nightmare....1000's of errors on the router log....

?

i really appreciate the feedback

Willie

maxping · Oct 30, 2006, 18:46:57

Pinging www.bbc.co.uk with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:28ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:27ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:30ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:30ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:30ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:30ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:33ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:30ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:26ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:28ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:28ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:29ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:30ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:29ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:30ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:29ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:31ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:32ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:27ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:28ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:27ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:27ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:27ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:28ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:27ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:32ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:26ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:28ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:27ms TTL:249
Reply from 212.58.224.115 bytes:32 Time:29ms TTL:249
Ping statistics for www.bbc.co.uk :
Packets: Sent = 30, Received = 30, Lost = 0 (0%) loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 26ms, Maximum = 33ms, Average = 29ms

Nerval · Oct 30, 2006, 19:14:05

Well, never one to give up, i've tried pinging again.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

>ping bbc.co.uk

Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=247

Ping statistics for 212.58.228.155:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 36ms, Maximum = 39ms, Average = 37ms

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.116] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.224.116: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.116: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.116: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=249
Reply from 212.58.224.116: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=249

Ping statistics for 212.58.224.116:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 37ms, Maximum = 39ms, Average = 37ms

This is almost reasonable.

Does anyone have any clue what could have been going on, when I got half a second pings this afternoon, and now down to 37ms?
I seriously don't understand it and would bge grateful for any enlightenment.

maxping · Oct 30, 2006, 19:56:50

Nerval phone Simon he will explain it to you , i could try but would make a right pigs ear of it.

stevie0573 · Oct 30, 2006, 20:36:47

I think one of the reasons my ping is like that is because im only 700metres or so from my exchange (almost like living there) other than that i havent got a clue.

Sound advice max by the way.

Lance · Oct 31, 2006, 08:24:27

Quote from: Willie on Oct 30, 2006, 17:53:42

btw don't worry too much bout the different ip addresses you are pinging on the bbc site as they have a range of addresses to stop overloading when everyone and their dog are pinging them....;-)

i just pointed it out because it is a possibility that one particular BBC server is playing up and slow at responding, although as you say assuming they are fine then it shouldn't matter.

Quote from: Willie on Oct 30, 2006, 17:53:42

Lance - you say you have interleaving turned off i assume on a Max product....how do you find the stability my other connection with MN had interleaving turned off and it was a complete nightmare....1000's of errors on the router log....?

My line is as stable now as it was with it turned on, absolutely no problems.

Quote from: stevie0573 on Oct 30, 2006, 20:36:47
I think one of the reasons my ping is like that is because im only 700metres or so from my exchange (almost like living there) other than that i havent got a clue.

i wish i lived that close!

Nerval · Oct 31, 2006, 14:11:10

Quote from: maxping on Oct 30, 2006, 19:56:50
Nerval phone Simon he will explain it to you , i could try but would make a right pigs ear of it.

Well I see Simon's on the forum.
How would you explain it Simon if I rang you up?

Willie · Oct 31, 2006, 17:47:29

hey lance,

thx 4 replying....appreciate the feedback....what games u playin and where ie. UK/Euro or US servers....also whats ur ping like to the bbc servers....just outta interest....

cheers

Willie

mrapoc · Oct 31, 2006, 18:04:19

Hi there, I play counterstrike source and get pings as low as 9-15 and average around 20ish. Unfortunately Idnet (for me and a minority of others) sometimes get periods of high pings as shown is Nerval's ping thingy, but it goes as quick as it arrives as shown in the ping thingy also...usually. Recently the ping problems have just about gone and if you do experience problems it can often be fixed by turning your touer off for 30 mins or running the bt speed tester.
Also welcome to the forum

Lance · Nov 01, 2006, 08:32:23

i play COD2 on UK servers and get around 30. Sometimes i play on dutch servers and ping is fine on those too. When pinging BBC i get between 26 and 30 every time! Much better then tiscali where i was very lucky to ping under 120ms to anything!

I can't say i've had any high ping issues at all either in the evenings or weekends.

BassoProfundo · Nov 06, 2006, 21:37:45

Hmmm. Not that I'm stunningly bothered (I don't game), but can anyone enlighten me as to why my pings to more or less anywhere are pretty awful ... and always have been?

For example:

>ping -t bbc.co.uk

Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=81ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247
Reply from 212.58.228.155: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=247

Ping statistics for 212.58.228.155:
Packets: Sent = 16, Received = 16, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 49ms, Maximum = 81ms, Average = 53ms

Is this down to BT? How?

Lance · Nov 07, 2006, 08:35:24

averaging around 50 looks fine to me depending on whether interleaving is turned on and also things like quality of line / distance from exchange / the weather / what you had for breakfast

etc.

BassoProfundo · Nov 07, 2006, 13:12:33

Hmm. Darnit, I should have given all relevant information. Duh

My line is:

NOT subject to interleaving
my IP Profile is 7100Kbits/sec
I can download at 6700Kbits/sec
Stable sync at 8128Kbits/sec (downstream)
Distance from exchange 750m
I had porridge for breakfast (yummy)

Always been like this, regardless of ADSL package, regardless of ISP.
Pretty sure it's down to BT then, but how?

Not really all that fussed but, being an engineer, I'd like to know why - hate unsolved mysteries!

stevie0573 · Nov 09, 2006, 12:53:03

Altho i know nothing about it im just wondering if its possible that i may be down to the quality of the line, its a long shot i know but it has to be down to a issue with something bt have done or doing

Nerval · Nov 09, 2006, 12:58:11

Well, every time I see a post about pings, I ping ident.net to see what happens.
It was 118ms average this time, though I am interleaved.

I don't understand why some days it's 30 and others 500, but then there are lots of things I don't understand.

stevie0573 · Nov 09, 2006, 13:19:08

they must have been feeding them gremlins again either that or theres birds nesting in ur exchange

Aaron · Nov 09, 2006, 15:42:26

What's up with the pings today? they've been going up and down all afternoon:

Tracing route to idnet.net [212.69.36.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms firewall [192.168.1.1]
2 376 ms 368 ms 378 ms telehouse-bb-gw1-vpdn.idnet.net [212.69.63.45]
3 370 ms 372 ms 373 ms telehouse-gw-bb.idnet.net [212.69.63.9]
4 355 ms 371 ms 394 ms redbus-gw.idnet.net [212.69.63.1]
5 381 ms 379 ms 404 ms www.idnet.net [212.69.36.10]

Tracing route to idnet.net [212.69.36.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms firewall [192.168.1.1]
2 210 ms 212 ms 204 ms telehouse-bb-gw1-vpdn.idnet.net [212.69.63.45]
3 197 ms 220 ms 228 ms telehouse-gw-bb.idnet.net [212.69.63.9]
4 280 ms 284 ms 303 ms redbus-gw.idnet.net [212.69.63.1]
5 320 ms 322 ms 299 ms www.idnet.net [212.69.36.10]

maxping · Nov 09, 2006, 19:04:32

Quote from: Nerval on Nov 09, 2006, 12:58:11
Well, every time I see a post about pings, I ping ident.net to see what happens.
It was 118ms average this time, though I am interleaved.

I don't understand why some days it's 30 and others 500, but then there are lots of things I don't understand.

Unless you are into on-line gaming i wouldn't let it bother you

Nerval · Nov 09, 2006, 20:20:29

Thanks Max, it would take more than that to bother me.

However, I do tend to be a seeker after knowledge in my spare time, so I was interested more as a bystander than as a gamer.
I suspect though that it's one of life's many mysteries.

ps I hope it's OK to post this without being accused of spamming

BassoProfundo · Nov 09, 2006, 20:44:26

I agree entirely. I'm not gamer, so it doesn't really bother me that my pings never seem to drop below 50ms ish (not interleaved). It's always been that way, ever since I went onto Broadband over 3 years ago.

So, purely in the interests of incresing knowledge, can somebody enlighten me as to how pings can be influenced in that very first hop between my router and the first gateway found in a tracert? I guess that's down to the BT "cloud" no?

Nerval · Nov 09, 2006, 20:55:29

Basso, I don't know how you find it, but whenever I ask technical questions of those supposedly in the know, it takes very little probing before you get into foggy territory and discover that their knowledge is only a step or two further than your own, if that. (anyone reading this excepted, of course!)

And I freely admit that I know next to bu**er all.

maxping · Nov 09, 2006, 21:23:48

Quote from: Nerval on Nov 09, 2006, 20:20:29
Thanks Max, it would take more than that to bother me.

However, I do tend to be a seeker after knowledge in my spare time, so I was interested more as a bystander than as a gamer.
:

Whats spare time?

Usually the only people who notice bad pings are gamers , surfers don't run ping tests so are blissfully unaware, as a gamer i notice daily as i use All Seeing Eye to search for servers and it reports the pings to each server.

My pings have been fine for ages , i do use the BT log in when i get bad pings and it usually works though the actual test doesn't ( i believe the actual log in cures the connection and the test is of no importance)..

BassoProfundo · Nov 10, 2006, 09:05:51

Quote from: Nerval on Nov 09, 2006, 20:55:29
discover that their knowledge is only a step or two further than your own

I know what you mean Nerv. It can sometimes make for amusing reading, though you often have to search pretty hard for those nuggetts of knowledge.

What gets me is when CS reps (not from IDNet, I hasten to add!!) attempt to talk over your head by spouting technobabble. I've been a hardware and software designer for 25 years now (currently designing design tools for real-time Operating Systems), so I know a fair bit - certainly enough to be able to counter such attempts at obfuscation quite effectively

Comes in handy in PC World too

However, the more you know, the more you know you don't know. And along those lines, the amorphous cloud of technology that exists between the telephone exchange and the ISP's gateway in Telehouse-whatever is opaque to me. It'd be really nice to understand a little more of what goes on there. So, any pointers to sources of knowledge would be gratefully received.

Willie · Nov 10, 2006, 16:14:37

obfuscation....love that word....gonna make it a word for the day on Monday, i'll see how many times i can get it into a conversation....should be fun....sad i know but when you get loads of calls from users asking silly questions like....'my computer isn't working....the lights are on but there is nothing showing on the screen....is your monitor turned on?....hesitation....hmmmm....no....okay turn it on please....ahhhhh great it seems to be working now....brilliant thx now i can go onto argos and order the kids chrimbo presents....' and thats the director....

Willie

Nerval · Nov 10, 2006, 20:16:56

Yo Willie, does that mean we can ask you hard questions and get sensible answers then?

Willie · Nov 12, 2006, 20:50:25

lol....u must be joking....it's a well known fact that all us 'IT' guys do is turn off and turn back on computers all day every day until we loose the will to live....

philco · Nov 15, 2006, 16:43:03

A bit of info for those who are curious..

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/equip2.htm

philco · Nov 15, 2006, 16:51:23

Also some info here on how you can tell which BT RAS your connection is routed through and how you can test your ping times just before they reach your ISP.

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/RAS.htm

maxping · Nov 16, 2006, 00:21:32

As i haven't posted one in ages and this is a newish Ping thread heres todays L8NC Graph.

Tinfinger · Dec 11, 2006, 23:36:13

i get shocking pings most every night no more so than tonight 11/12

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms *****
2 41 ms 53 ms 41 ms telehouse-gw-msdp.idnet.net [212.69.63.41]

3 111 ms 108 ms 113 ms 212.69.63.10

4 112 ms 117 ms 111 ms g2-2-501.cr01.hx2.bb.pipex.net [193.203.5.14]

5 119 ms 125 ms 108 ms v3953.cr05.tn5.bb.pipex.net [62.72.137.29]

6 131 ms 115 ms 126 ms g1-1-6.er01.tn5.bb.pipex.net [62.72.140.142]

7 80 ms 92 ms 87 ms ge-0-0-0-3801.jolt-gw.cust.pipex.net [212.241.241.14]

8 125 ms 91 ms 102 ms 195.149.21.70

had some iff email from Andrew Erridge saying
The reason for the bad ping result around hop 3 is because our server configuration dictates ping traffic as low priority. The result is often a high number in this case.

I have spoken with the maintenance team to confirm this, they have also confirmed that at this time there are no known issues on our servers in relation to latency.
I am currently liaising with jolt admin to investigate the response times outside of the initial set of traces.
I will keep you updated on my findings.

correct me if im wrong but games ping also as im getting between 50 and 300 to jolt

i dont mind if they are having problems but i do mind being lied to with well ill not swear explanations

firstly this bad trace starts inside there own network not jolts or my exchange,secondly if ping trafic is limited they are monster short of bandwidth as they are miniscule

note to idnet explain hop 3 for me again??