Windows 7 confirmed for 2010 - 17 screenshots...

Simon · May 25, 2008, 22:44:33

http://wepokers.blogspot.com/2008/05/microsoft-confirms-windows-7-for-2010.html

Sebby · May 25, 2008, 22:56:18

Very interesting. Thanks, Simon.

Simon · May 25, 2008, 23:06:30

Not sure I like the look of that wheely dial thingy, but it looks like a logical step forward from Vista.

Sebby · May 25, 2008, 23:19:49

I've had a proper look at it now. I'm sure whatever they do will be intuitive; after all, Vista is. But what's important is that they remember to focus on performance, which they completely failed to do with Vista. It looks like too much of the work is going on the UI and not enough "under the hood".

Simon · May 25, 2008, 23:29:24

Unfortunately though, Seb, it's the UI that will attract the mainstream PC World brigade.

Sebby · May 26, 2008, 02:47:03

That's true. There's no denying that Vista looks great. If it had XP's performance, it would be a winner. Anyway, fingers crossed that Windows 7 will be a good mixture of the two.

Rik · May 26, 2008, 10:32:57

This may be the final straw to push me over to a Mac. Way too much colour...

Inactive · May 26, 2008, 10:42:27

Agreed Rik, I hate it, yuk.

Simon · May 26, 2008, 10:47:04

I think it's pretty certain other themes will be available, so I wouldn't initially be put off by the default UI.

Inactive · May 26, 2008, 10:48:20

Probably Simon, however I get a feeling that they will all be equally naff.

Noreen · May 26, 2008, 11:26:45

I prefer Vista to that, looks as though it's designed for children.

Simon · May 26, 2008, 11:27:31

... or by them.

Inactive · May 26, 2008, 11:29:23

Quote from: Simon on May 26, 2008, 11:27:31
... or by them.

Agreed...

Sebby · May 26, 2008, 11:29:32

Quote from: Rik on May 26, 2008, 10:32:57
This may be the final straw to push me over to a Mac. Way too much colour...

I wonder how long we can get away with using XP for...

madasahatter · May 26, 2008, 12:00:15

I think that looks pretty damn good, but then I like Vista, so what do I know?

Inactive · May 26, 2008, 12:18:21

Quote from: madasahatter on May 26, 2008, 12:00:15
I think that looks pretty damn good, but then I like Vista, so what do I know?

You don't buy the Sun Newspaper do you Mad??

madasahatter · May 26, 2008, 12:58:10

Quote from: Inactive on May 26, 2008, 12:18:21
You don't buy the Sun Newspaper do you Mad??

I prefer to buy a newspaper that actually has something to read

doc_holiday · May 26, 2008, 15:19:55

Quote from: Simon on May 25, 2008, 22:44:33
http://wepokers.blogspot.com/2008/05/microsoft-confirms-windows-7-for-2010.html

If Windows 7 is as late as Vista was, we have a looooong wait yet and I would expect these screen shots to change.

madasahatter · May 26, 2008, 16:28:34

The thing is though doc, that with the slow take up on vista, I would have thought that MS will want to get this out on time, or even before

Sebby · May 26, 2008, 16:30:06

I agree, though I guess however much they want to, it just might not be possible.

madasahatter · May 26, 2008, 16:35:58

Quote from: Sebby on May 26, 2008, 16:30:06
I agree, though I guess however much they want to, it just might not be possible.

That's true, but I would have thought that they will have learnt from how long vista took, to make sure that they get it right this time - otoh you just never know

Rik · May 26, 2008, 16:38:32

They did learn on the 98 - Me - XP cycle...

doc_holiday · May 26, 2008, 16:41:16

Quote from: madasahatter on May 26, 2008, 16:35:58
That's true, but I would have thought that they will have learnt from how long vista took, to make sure that they get it right this time - otoh you just never know

There are some who are starting to compare ME to Vista, so if that comparison sticks through time, some will wonder what MS has and hasn't learned!

Rik · May 26, 2008, 16:45:02

TBH, I've been comparing Vista to Me from its launch. It had that same "this is not quite what we intended but we have to get something to the market" feel about it.

Inactive · May 26, 2008, 16:49:50

Agreed, since when did MS ever introduce any OS without serious flaws anyway..?

Rik · May 26, 2008, 16:51:25

Or anyone, for that matter.

Steve · May 28, 2008, 09:49:14

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7422924.stm

If it doesn't work you will be able to hit it.

Rik · May 28, 2008, 09:50:06

Wanna bet?

madasahatter · May 28, 2008, 09:55:32

Interesting link Steve

Not exactly sure how much use that it's gonna be - at the moment, looks like a headline grabbing thing that only does bits here and there rather than something to completely replace mouse/keyboard

scook94 · May 28, 2008, 14:37:13

To me it looks like all desktops are converging to look almost identical - windows 7,linux and mac!

Rik · May 28, 2008, 16:05:57

Not, in itself, such a bad thing...

madasahatter · May 28, 2008, 17:01:34

a couple of interesting comments on here

Rik · May 28, 2008, 17:05:56

Vista MkII. Interesting concept. Or, put another way, the Vista we meant to ship the first time...

Inactive · May 28, 2008, 17:07:34

I have never tried Vista, however I cannot help thinking that it has not been a great success, it is hugely resource hungry, that cannot be denied, equally there are no significant improvements over XP that would make me spend money on buying it, I fear that W7 will be similar.

Rik · May 28, 2008, 17:11:22

On the basis of what's been said, I agree, In. Nonetheless, we'll end up moving to it when our hardware gives out on us...

Inactive · May 28, 2008, 17:14:57

I am hoping mine will last until a real option for XP is produced that does show significant improvements, highly unlikely I know.

Rik · May 28, 2008, 17:26:04

It will be called the octo-core from Intel.

Dopamine · May 28, 2008, 17:46:45

Quote from: scook94 on May 28, 2008, 14:37:13
To me it looks like all desktops are converging to look almost identical - windows 7,linux and mac!

... and since some manufacturers are now selling systems with a Linux OS preinstalled, at a corresponding cost saving, I wonder how much longer MS can rely on being able to sell whatever OS they choose to bring out next. £600 for a system with Vista or a fair bit less for the same system with Linux? Nobody has been able to break MS's dominance yet, but maybe good old price pressure will succeed and we'll all benefit from OSs that are improved and refined for performance's sake rather than to satisfy the financial needs of commercial organisations.

Rik · May 28, 2008, 17:51:47

I'd be all in favour of that.

Noreen · May 28, 2008, 17:53:22

I don't know if this has already been mentioned but I see there is now mention of IE8. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/27/ie8_fall_beta/

Rik · May 28, 2008, 17:58:35

I don't suppose that any software house considers that we, as users, would be quite happy if they just fixed the products they have already brought out.

Sebby · May 28, 2008, 19:14:32

They most certainly don't, Rik. In fairness, there's not a lot wrong with XP, at least since SP2, but I guess they feel it doesn't have the wow factor. I'm sure they were trying to make Vista more "Mac", and I'd imagine they'll continue to go down this route, i.e. concentrating on the UI.

Rik · May 28, 2008, 19:19:01

They always have.

Sebby · May 28, 2008, 19:29:54

But then wasn't Vista built from scratch? It makes you wonder...

Rik · May 28, 2008, 19:34:39

I'm just not sure which scratch!

madasahatter · May 28, 2008, 19:37:08

To be fair though Sebby, i would imagine that the vast majority of machines they sell will be bought by peeps who don't know anything apart from how to surf and e-mail, and for those peeps the look of the thing will be one of the reasons for trading up etc, so I don't think they are necessarily wrong to go down the UI route tbh. Just that the peeps who do know what they are doing take a lot less notice of the bells and whistles, so the look of the thing isn't as important.

Sebby · May 28, 2008, 19:38:36

I don't think they're wrong to put a lot of work into the UI, but I think they're wrong to let other areas suffer. Even Steve Ballmer described Vista as a work in progress. It doesn't inspire confidence.

madasahatter · May 28, 2008, 19:41:24

Quote from: Sebby on May 28, 2008, 19:38:36
I don't think they're wrong to put a lot of work into the UI, but I think they're wrong to let other areas suffer. Even Steve Ballmer described Vista as a work in progress. It doesn't inspire confidence.

When you put it like that - not really.........

Noreen · Jun 30, 2008, 10:21:56

Some interesting comments here. http://microsoft-watch.com/bb-article.html?bbPostId=B1v4kEBkXLLFBDaVmlmKxj4lCz4sYWSOJcFLrCz4xjWG4SBeO1&bbParentWidgetId=B92koKEwX2hcEsdaWI2J7pK

Rik · Jun 30, 2008, 10:24:24

Vista as she was meant to be?

Sebby · Jun 30, 2008, 10:26:20

Or just Vista, very slightly changed?

Rik · Jun 30, 2008, 10:28:03

Hopefully for the better.

Sebby · Jun 30, 2008, 10:28:57

Hopefully. Tbh, there's only a few changes they need to make for it to be great.

Noreen · Jun 30, 2008, 10:55:50

It'll be interesting to see how they finally advertise Windows 7, they can't say that it's to fix Vista's supposed problems can they? I presume that's why they are talking up this touchscreen ability, which many people won't be able to use anyway unless they buy new hardware.

Rik · Jun 30, 2008, 12:25:43

Maybe Wow! will become Wot?

Tacitus · Jun 30, 2008, 16:18:12

Quote from: Noreen on Jun 30, 2008, 10:55:50
It'll be interesting to see how they finally advertise Windows 7, they can't say that it's to fix Vista's supposed problems can they?

Why not, it's what Microsoft have been doing for the last 20 years or more. The next version is always going to be the one that fixes everything and does wonders. If they had any sense they'd do what Apple did and start from (more or less) square one with a complete re-write. Forget legacy apps and hardware, they could cover that with a version of XP that ran under virtualisation. With multi-core chips it would be technically achievable.

Otherwise, to me, it's simply same old, same old.

Noreen · Jun 30, 2008, 17:53:33

BTW apparently today is XP's "last day" in the retail market. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2008/06/last_call_for_windows_xp_more.html

Rik · Jun 30, 2008, 17:58:48

We shall lower the forum colours to half mast at sunset, Noreen.

Noreen · Jun 30, 2008, 18:29:16

Well, I won't be saluting, it's ancient history to me now.

Rik · Jun 30, 2008, 18:30:19

OTOH, no Windows 1, no Vista.

Sebby · Jun 30, 2008, 18:50:38

I think something like 'Vista as it should have been' could be a selling point.

Glenn · Jun 30, 2008, 18:56:15

Quote from: Rik on Jun 30, 2008, 10:24:24
Vista as she was meant to be?

Thats what I have been told by MS team at work

Noreen · Jun 30, 2008, 19:11:58

Quote from: Sebby on Jun 30, 2008, 18:50:38
I think something like 'Vista as it should have been' could be a selling point.

How can they say that when they are still selling Vista?

Sebby · Jun 30, 2008, 20:08:58

But it's not selling well, and I'm talking when Windows 7 is actually released anyway.

Glenn · Jun 30, 2008, 20:12:27

There are a lot of 'features' missing from Vista that MS simply couldn't fix in time for the much delayed release, hence Sebby's 'I think something like 'Vista as it should have been' could be a selling point.' post

Tacitus · Jun 30, 2008, 21:21:33

Quote from: Sebby on Jun 30, 2008, 18:50:38
I think something like 'Vista as it should have been' could be a selling point.

Er it's available now. They call it MacOSX - available at all good Apple Stores....

Sorry - couldn't resist

Sebby · Jun 30, 2008, 23:20:49

Move along...

I have to admit, I love everything about Macs; I just wouldn't make the move, though, as strange as that sounds.

Simon · Jun 30, 2008, 23:39:25

I think while Vista was the new ME, Windows 7 will be the new XP. Still don't like that wheel thingy though.

doc_holiday · Jul 01, 2008, 08:01:54

Quote from: Sebby on Jun 30, 2008, 23:20:49
Move along...

I have to admit, I love everything about Macs; I just wouldn't make the move, though, as strange as that sounds.

I have some hard core, die hard, windows friends starting to seriously look at moving to a Mac and a handful to Linux as a desktop. Microsoft's own goal on Vista has certainly kept competition alive in the OS war.

I have to admit, I considered it myself. My trouble is that I have too much money invested in Windows software... and in the end, Vista has been tolerable since SP1. I'm sad to say I am already looking forward to SP2 fixing a few more things!

Gary · Jul 01, 2008, 13:04:08

I have a friend, a MS software Architect and he uses a mac

that says a lot I guess

To be honest I like vista now I have it, and we do need improvements in security over a seven year old os kernel, I'm happy with how it runs, to me also XP is a fading memory and SP2 will help more, people really do forget all the grief and moaning when XP came out even after SP1 the same people said they would never use it, and now the same people are spouting the same FUD over Vista. If your pc is old and runs it badly upgrade. At 4 years old a pc will show its age, its out of date as soon as you buy it, you can put more money in to get more than you need now and that way keep stave off its decline as long as possible, and a lot of modern software would struggle on an old machine anyway, Google Earth being one example.