New Netgear DG834G V5

[orainsear]

Has the WNR2000 not got a separate setting for editing QoS? Since its such a new router I would have thought it may, if not I wonder why there is such inconsistency across products sometimes, check the DGN2000 out I think that has the seperate setting as well

Sorry I've got the router that I was thinking about completely wrong - it's actually the Netgear WNR3500 and not the WNR2000 that features QoS.  If you look at section 5-14 of the user guide ftp://downloads.netgear.com/files/WNR3500_UM_11Mar08.pdf there is more information and some pictures of the configuration.

I'm not sure if the DGN2000 does have QoS (nothing in the netgear.com user guide, but then there is nothing in the DG834Gv5 user guide either).  It's now on sale in the U.K. so if anyone has got one and is reading this please feel free to comment 

[Gary]

Just found out the DG834Gv5 has a Conexant CX94610 chipset, so if you want Broadcom best avoid this one 

[Rik]

Been at it with the Brummie Screwdriver, have you?

[Gary]

Been at it with the Brummie Screwdriver, have you?

looks like its the chipset for all new Netgears so the V4 and the DG834N are the last with decent chipsets in them Rik the new model chipsets are cheaper it appears, and yes I had to have a peek but with a more delicate approach

[Rik]

A real screwdriver or a smaller hammer?

[Gary]

A real screwdriver or a smaller hammer?

a real screwdriver Rik, I have a decent pc tool kit, but a big hammer for that satisfying moment of destruction

[Steve]

looks like its the chipset for all new Netgears so the V4 and the DG834N are the last with decent chipsets in them Rik the new model chipsets are cheaper it appears, and yes I had to have a peek but with a more delicate approach

As far as I am aware the DGN2000 is a reboxed DG834N and still uses the broadcom chipset

[Sebby]

looks like its the chipset for all new Netgears so the V4 and the DG834N are the last with decent chipsets in them Rik the new model chipsets are cheaper it appears, and yes I had to have a peek but with a more delicate approach

How do you know there's anything wrong with that chipset, Gary?

[Gary]

How do you know there's anything wrong with that chipset, Gary?

Its not nearly as good as the broadcom chipset feature wise Sebby and is not so compatible with certain dslams, Broadcom chipsets are more expensive (research found online) and Netgear are offering more features but cutting down on costs by letting other OEM's make the chipsets, the DGN2000 uses the same setup and I tried that out, instant drop on upstream by 300kbs and a drop on Downstream by nearly 1mb on LLU here, it does not hold onto long lines as well and reports line length way longer than it is, cost cutting at the expense of stability it seems its been discussed a lot on the Be forums  The V4 is a better model and the DG834N as well, I noticed they have put out a new DG834Nv2 with more fancy features, so it may well be a change of chipset on that as well

[Sebby]

Has that been proven? I thought the AR7 was the only chipset that is known to avoid.

[Rik]

It's the one I avoid - though I do have a couple of Netgears in the cupboard as reserves number 2 & 3. However, the difference on the line compared to a 2700 is plain crazy.

[Gary]

Has that been proven? I thought the AR7 was the only chipset that is known to avoid.

Put it this way Sebby all new Netgear routers now only have a 1 year guarantee as well. The newer chipset allows Netgear to offer more features at the same price, you never get something for nothing. The difference in performance with the new chipset on the v5 is worse than the AR7 speed wise I have all three to test, from the DG834N chipset which is a more refined broadcom chipset than on v4 of the G model to the v3 AR7, all sync higher than the v5 I have, and remain that way for longer. here is a quote from a Netgear Forum.

"Netgear are just constantly on the look out for saving a bit of cash, so when an OEM can offer them a different board for a few pence less they go for it regardless of what that means to the customer. The OEM probably agrees to take on the firmware development to make it run in order to clinch the sale. (The Conexant will run the same Linux based firmware and would just require changes to the bundled drivers etc so not a major undertaking.)

The other problem with a new version is it means firmware development as good as stops on prior versions. It might not be important if the prior models run without bugs however Broadcom are continually adding new features to their modem drivers that mean the older versions fall behind in functionality"

[Gary]

As far as I am aware the DGN2000 is a reboxed DG834N and still uses the broadcom chipset

No it does not have the same feature set as the DG834N and does not support IGMPv2  or Annex M for ADSL2+ and does not use the marvel topdog wireless chipset either,  like the other new netgears it is based on the Conexant CX94610 chipset which is seen by the code for the adsl driver compared with the Broadcom chipset drivers as far as I know. It also lacks support for Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) which is a licensed data link layer protocol for network topology discovery and quality of service diagnostics, developed by Microsoft as part of their Windows Rally set of technologies. The LLTD protocol operates over both wired as well as wireless networks. Also Netgear have released a DG843N v2.

[Sebby]

All I'm saying, Gary, is that I think we need to gauge some more thoughts on that particular chipset. We all know that every line is different. It may well turn out to be a bit of a lemon like the AR7, but I think it's too early to say at the moment.

[Steve]

Thanks Gary.Re DGN2000 chipset. I did wonder when I read somewhere that it was a re boxed DG834N. The price didn't make sense to me, as if its the same inside it should be a similar price not cheaper.

[Gary]

Thanks Gary.Re DGN2000 chipset. I did wonder when I read somewhere that it was a re boxed DG834N. The price didn't make sense to me, as if its the same inside it should be a similar price not cheaper.

I saw the same article, having tried one its similar to the v5 but N draft, I'm using a DG834N myself now and will avoid the v2 of that for the same reason, a loss of a years warranty and new features for the same price all add up to something good being taken away 

[Steve]

Gary I also use the Dg834N and wondered if you have any experience of the laptop adaptor WN5111B? I have the WN111 available but don't find it ideal for my laptop use. I worry that one or the other will get broken.

[Gary]

I have plugged the WN5111B into Justina's laptop and found it pretty robust, Justina tends to bang her laptop around, she did last night when she put it away, it seems strong enough. What firmware are you running? The last update to 1.02.8 in April added loads of good features

[Steve]

Using the same firmware, thanks for the info regarding the adaptor I may see if I can locate one although "g" performance seems very good

[Azzaka]

Has that been proven? I thought the AR7 was the only chipset that is known to avoid.

The AR7 chipset by Texas Instruments (Infineon bought the DSL Section) is not to be avoidde in the Netgears, far from it in my opinion if, if you are on a long line. The Broadcom chipset can be very conservative and sometimes more trouble than not.

The new version 5 being the conexant will need to be tested before we all jump on the wagon and say 'Booo Hiisss Booo'... this would not be fair to the manufacturer nor other users of the forum.

[Rik]

Welcome to the forum, Az.

[Azzaka]

Taa Rik. Its nice to be able to read some honest opinions. 

[Rik]

You'll get plenty of opinions here.

[Sebby]

Welcome!

I don't think the points about the AR7 chipset are unfair, but I agree we can't say much about the v5 at this stage.

[Gary]

The AR7 chipset by Texas Instruments (Infineon bought the DSL Section) is not to be avoidde in the Netgears, far from it in my opinion if, if you are on a long line. The Broadcom chipset can be very conservative and sometimes more trouble than not.

The new version 5 being the conexant will need to be tested before we all jump on the wagon and say 'Booo Hiisss Booo'... this would not be fair to the manufacturer nor other users of the forum.

Having got one (v5) I would say the Broadcom really does outperform the conexant which provides worse sync rates and more line drops the Broadcom is used in many DSLAM's for LLU as well and is far from conservative, if anything the new chipset is, as far as saying the Broadcom is more trouble, I would not agree with you at all on that at all. I have had 2 months to play with the new chipset of there abouts and its now in its box and to be honest is now a potential door wedge  so which company do you work for Netgear?  to add a figure the v5 syncs at about 4340 where as the Broadcom suncs at 5597 downstream, upstream a difference of 1187 for broadcom and 1107 for the V5

Welcome by the way