Started last night?

[Philip]

Philip !!!!!!!! I have just Emailed Lord Coe......

try and get us front row seats David

[Inactive]

Is In about maybe we should have a poll! 

[David]

Im in two minds..............and they are both bouncing for some reason.....strange thing the human mind 

[netn00b]

yeah been having a lot of problems with dropped connection for the past week

hope its sorted soon.

[Rik]

Dropped connections are generally a local issue, between you and your exchange, they aren't caused by congestion. What does your router log show?

[dlorde]

I'm getting dropped connections recently. Had one last night, and just had two this morning, which is problematic as I'm trying to work from home with a remote connection to work.

BT info for my local exchange shows green and no recent problems.

Modem log extract:

08/22/2008  10:43:26 If(ATM1) PPP connection ok !
08/22/2008  10:43:25 ATM1 get IP:91.135.11.236
08/22/2008  10:43:04 ATM1 start PPP           
08/22/2008  10:43:04 Dial On Demand(ATM1)     
08/22/2008  10:42:47 192.168.2.4 login success
08/22/2008  10:42:37 User from 192.168.2.4 timed out
08/22/2008  10:41:00 ADSL Media Up !           
08/22/2008  10:40:45 ATM1 stop PPP             
08/22/2008  10:40:45 ADSL Media Down !         
08/22/2008  08:58:42 NTP Date/Time updated.   
08/22/2008  08:53:34 If(ATM1) PPP connection ok !
08/22/2008  08:53:33 ATM1 get IP:91.135.11.236
08/22/2008  08:53:28 ATM1 start PPP           
08/22/2008  08:53:28 Dial On Demand(ATM1)     
08/22/2008  08:53:22 If(ATM1) PPP fail : Unknown error or UI Connect/Disconnect
08/22/2008  08:53:20 ATM1 start PPP           
08/22/2008  08:53:20 Dial On Demand(ATM1)     
08/22/2008  08:52:55 192.168.2.4 login success
08/22/2008  00:22:23 NTP Date/Time updated.   

[Rik]

That appears to be a loss of sync - have you noticed any flashing lights?

[Gary]

That appears to be a loss of sync - have you noticed any flashing lights?

Those UFOs landing with the flashing lights play havoc with your noise margin

[Tacitus]

This may be about to blow up in the Beeb's face...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/22/bbc_cdn_isps_level3/

Can't understand this quote from Zen:  "..Zen Internet is expecting the decision to increase its costs economically; all but a select few large networks must pay Level3 to receive traffic originated within their network".

Economically?  Do they mean UNeconomically?  Exponentially?

[vitriol]

Hopefully...personally I can take or leave the iPlayer. Not as if there is lots of content actually worth watching on it now is there?

[Rik]

Economically?  Do they mean UNeconomically?  Exponentially?

Does come across as gibberish, Tac. I think it has to be uneconomically to make any sense.

Knowing the Beeb, though, they'll create the mess then blame everyone else.

[Inactive]

I think that iPlayer is the biggest single mistake that the BBC has ever made, it is not part of their licence remit to provide it, as far as I am aware,  so why do they need to spend money on it, when it would be better spent on doing what is within their remit?

[Tacitus]

Hopefully...personally I can take or leave the iPlayer. Not as if there is lots of content actually worth watching on it now is there?

I can take it or leave it too, but as the current Olympics have demonstrated there is a demand for IPTV in some form.  If the Beeb's antics bugger up 'good' ISPs like iDNet and Zen, we are all the poorer.

It's worth reading a comment further down the page on the news item.  Apparently in the Netherlands the broadcasters and ISPs are cooperating to bring this stuff to the masses.  Here of course, 'cooperation" is an old-fashioned "socialist" concept and "competition" and the 'market' are the sole arbiters.

As a result quality heads down the pan and the bottom line rules.  Customer service is an oxymoron.

I think that iPlayer is the biggest single mistake that the BBC has ever made, it is not part of their licence remit to provide it, as far as I am aware,  so why do they need to spend money on it, when it would be better spent on doing what is within their remit?

I think they could argue that bringing BBC programmes to the licence fee payers in a new form, falls within their remit.  The problem is the remit is so widely drawn as to mean all things to all men.  Given the commercial companies are doing (4OD) they probably have little option if they are to survive.

[Simon]

Personally, I'd be quite happy if IDNet were to block use of the iPlayer, or to make it a separate subscription service, as has been mentioned already.

[Inactive]

Personally, I'd be quite happy if IDNet were to block use of the iPlayer, or to make it a separate subscription service, as has been mentioned already.

I would be even happier if all ISP's blocked it.

[cavillas]

Thats fine Les but when is the sack race on,I seem to have missed the egg and spoon race 

Who mentioned food,  call Rik.

[Rik]

You rang?

[Steve]

I presume most people using iplayer now are at work?Otherwise you'd watch it on TV or is that old fashioned? People now prefer blurry images in small boxes can't wait for the HD transmission think of the bandwidth usage then I speed tested this morning at 07:30 D/L 830kB/sec now at D/L of 75kB/sec and I expect from 1800 or so it will be backup again.

[Rik]

I think you're right, Steve, if you're at home then why bother with iPlayer. Makes you wonder how many working hours have been lost this past couple of weeks.

[dlorde]

That appears to be a loss of sync - have you noticed any flashing lights?

No, I just reset it via the browser - the modem is hidden away.

[Rik]

I had IDNet test your line, and though it is dropping sync, it reconnects at the same or similar speed, with the profile stable.

That suggests a wiring issue internal to your house, or a faulty modem. Can you borrow a spare to eliminate the latter?

[vitriol]

Two speed tests done within a minute of each other,

Mine (IDNET)

My Friend (Eclipse)

I live approx 400 metres from the exchange, he lives about 800.  Can anyone offer an explaination, or is it just a capacity issue?

[Steve]

The slow speeds I have seen recently have normally resolved by early evening,which was a bt/idnet congestion issue. Is the eclipse an LLU or BT connection?

[hairyman]

My speeds have dropped steadily through 2008. Idnet I would guess  have oversold and are now fairly average.
I assume they need more capacity.

Called them this week and they blamed contention at my exchange, just checked with two others on bb both near the local exchange like me ( 400mtrs ) . They were syncing at full speed and getting actual throughputs of 5000k and 5400k . The first was on BTs own retail product, the other on also on  Ipstream with I think Eclipse.  I get 1000k on a good day mostly around 600kbps. Since neither BT or Eclipse are usually regards as premium products I feel sure that the problem is somewhere in Idnet land.

The man at Idnet said the usual BT policy for domestic customers was to provide 20mbps for every 50 lines enabled i e about 400kbps per user if we all were on the system downloading at the same time. I live in a small town and think the exchange supports about 6000lines including the many small outlying villages , a large proportion do not have bb as I struggled to get anyone to do speedtests locally, I think we have a lot of (a) retired folk in the area (b) many quite poor and needing to spend their fixed incomes on stuff like food/heat and (c) they have better things to do than use the internet much,  unlike me and the rest of you guys. 

Funnily when I was with  Eclipse last year I left because I was only getting 1.5 to 2mbps at 8meg syncs and never any more than 2.3mbps with occasional massive drops to around 100kbps. Idnet are slower than Eclipse at least comparing 2007 to 2008.

Now IDNET provide a near constant sub 1 meg throughput when my neighbours get five times the speed for about same or less cash.

I hear NewNet are cheap and fairly fast!! Feel a MAC request coming on.

Question Why would anyone want to watch TV on the internet when they presumably have a TV ( except at work when they should be giving value for money to others?)

People say the only valid speedtest is the always unavailable BT one! Thats like saying its greener to use the almost non existant bus service around here rather than ones car.

[Gary]

I would be even happier if all ISP's blocked it.

yes that would make them really popular with users wouldn't it  , if a small ISP has not got the capacity so be it that's because they are a small ISP if you want to watch iplayer you need too re-model your usage and what ISP best serves you, that simple, don't blame the small ISP, you can't have small, friendly and huge capacity, it does not go hand in hand, and saying ban something that is only going to get more popular as other platforms similar to the iPlayer take off is ridiculous. the internet is about evolution and innovation in multimedia media as well as basic services, I use the listen again feature for radio on the BBC a lot as well as sitting on a few forums and browsing and sending and receiving emails as well. If you don't like it don't use it it, but you can't halt change and with BT providing subscription based TV over the net like Virgin this type of product will become more popular, you have your choice of what you need , and if the ISP you choose suffers because of it then they should look at what they want to provide and to whom, nothing stands still, and as people like to use this service its here to stay I would imagine anyway.