Anyone use and/or recommend this as an upgrade to my old browser....
some java based games i play keep suggesting i need to upgrade.
also mentioned is google chrome but i'd be as happy sticking to IE so wondered what version 8 is like.
i did not like 7 which my wife uses on her pc.
cheers
I used IE8 for some time, the upgrade seems OK but I had trouble with the toolbar, sometimes it would load ,sometimes not, it would leave a blank area instead that could only be cured by a complete re-boot, I found this very annoying, rather than troublesome, so this morning IE8 came out and IE7 went in and to be honest the differences between 7&8 seem so small I shall not try the upgrade again. :no:
You could of course try Firefox, I have heard many good things about it. :)
I have used both Internet Exploder 8 and Firefox....Firefox is much better than IE8 in my opinion - much faster, uses less resources and version 3.6 is just around the corner which promises to be even better. I would suggest you give it a try and see what you think, if you dont like it (and I am sure you will) you can always install IE8.
Same here, FF fan.
I uninstalled Firefox/Chrome and went back to IE8 and now that I am running W7 I have not got any other browser on my computer. Can not imagine not using IE8 now. ;D
I've tried several other browsers including Firefox, Google, Opera and Safari but I've found I still prefer IE and I've had IE8 since it was released.
The only problem I had initially was with the smilies window on Idnetters as some of the smilies were not displayed but it's been okay for some months now and I've not experienced any other problems with it.
I would recommend anything but IE. Firefox is great, and a lot of people like Chrome. IE is poor in almost all respects. Saying that, IE8 is probably the best version so far.
Have you used IE8 over a period of time to get used to it or is this based on a quick try and slagg it of because it is MS :eyebrow: ;)
No, it's based on fact. ;)
I thought this was a thread about "For example - eight".
What's ie8, then?
Steve
Everyone's afraid to answer this, as we don't know if you're joking or not! ;D
Well, I see reference to Firefox - now I know what that is. I see mention of Chrome, which I tried and abandoned very quickly. But I don't see the relevance of examples of numbers :dunno:
Quote from: Den on Oct 30, 2009, 17:47:15
Have you used IE8 over a period of time to get used to it or is this based on a quick try and slagg it of because it is MS :eyebrow: ;)
I gave this [yet] another [extended] go recently, Den, since you were gushing about it. :whistle: ;D
I ended up hating it [again] because it's rubbish. It's slow, designed by a child, I can't find anything, and the Bookmarks system is broken (double entries) and I can't be bothered fixing it.
Besides I miss FF addons like xMarks . I really did try. Honest. >:D
p.s. I lurve Microsoft.
Let's be honest, what we like is down to how we like to do things. No browser, or any app, or any OS is perfect - it's a best fit that we all try for.
Quote from: D-Dan on Oct 31, 2009, 17:54:40
Well, I see reference to Firefox - now I know what that is. I see mention of Chrome, which I tried and abandoned very quickly. But I don't see the relevance of examples of numbers :dunno:
(http://pc-pals.com/pics/smileys/clickme.gif) (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Internet-explorer/default.aspx) ;)
Quote from: bobleslie on Oct 31, 2009, 18:27:53
I ended up hating it [again] because it's rubbish. It's slow, designed by a child, I can't find anything, and the Bookmarks system is broken (double entries) and I can't be bothered fixing it.
Perhaps there are different versions of browsers with identical names as my experience with IE8 is completely different and it works just fine for me. I've tried Firefox but still preferred IE8 as I couldn't find things in it.
Or maybe they're all okay but we prefer what we're used to ;)
How come you're used to IE 8? It doesn't even look like a normal windows program. Its access menus are all over the place. ;)
The other problem is it's designed to prod you towards all its MS properties ad infinitum. You just can't get away from the ceaseless promotion.
I just want to browse - it's supposed to be a browser - not have my eyeballs constantly assailed by MS promotions.
It's not as if any of those MS properties are worth anything. They're hardly class leading. Bing search is a joke, including its name. MSN is a bunch of rubbish. Always has been.
I just cannot be bothered wasting time tinkering with the interface in order to make it half usable. ;D
Quote from: bobleslie on Oct 31, 2009, 21:30:43
How come you're used to IE 8? It doesn't even look like a normal windows program. Its access menus are all over the place. ;)
The other problem is it's designed to prod you towards all its MS properties ad infinitum. You just can't get away from the ceaseless promotion.
I just want to browse - it's supposed to be a browser - not have my eyeballs constantly assailed by MS promotions.
It's not as if any of those MS properties are worth anything. They're hardly class leading. Bing search is a joke, including its name. MSN is a bunch of rubbish. Always has been.
I just cannot be bothered wasting time tinkering with the interface in order to make it half usable. ;D
Now I'm convinced that you must have a different version than me as I don't experience any of the above and it looks similar to FF
Quote from: bobleslie on Oct 31, 2009, 21:30:43
MSN is a bunch of rubbish. Always has been.
Are we talking about the IE8 browser or the MSN homepage ?
I agree with John it does not sound as if you are using IE8 but are getting mixed up with the MSN home page which is completely different. IE8 is not that much different to all the other browsers but we all do not have the same preferences. :eyebrow:
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/weyporium/IE8.jpg)
Above is a shot of default IE 8 8.0.7600 in Win 7. Looks the same in Vista. Hardly a standard Windows prog. Too busy and too much heavy branding, as I said previously. Looks nothing like FF.
::) Right click on Windows Live spaces and MSN Hotmail and select delete. Now turn off suggested site and choose you own home page and make it default, click on search engine and chose Google and make that default. There now that was not hard was it and now you do not have to look at MSN anymore and have a very good browser. :eyebrow:
No need to be obtuse, Den. I've been doing this stuff for twenty five years. Just proving to you and John that I'm not using another browser as you suggested. :eyebrow:
Just also proving my criticisms regarding heavy branding as well. I still don't like it. Far too much space taken up promoting useless MS properties. Still, each to their own. ;)
Still searching mine looking for all these MS properties and failing badly, perhaps I am not looking hard enough so I will carry on searching ;)
Should have gone to Specsavers. Most of the main offenders are right in front of your eyes. Look again at the default screenshot I posted. ::)
I did ;D Thats the default screen for the MSN web page which i never visit. If you set up your default web page to something else (mine is the BBC web page) all changes. If you get rid of the links at the top you never need to visit them again. :angel: If you change your search engine there is nothing left of MSN. ;D
No, that's the default for IE 8.
If ...If.....If....If.... :evil:
Congrats on your Forum Star. :thumb:
Surely if you set your own home page, you don't have to see the branding, or am I missing something here :dunno:
Quote from: bobleslie on Nov 01, 2009, 12:58:18
No, that's the default for IE 8.
If ...If.....If....If.... :evil:
Congrats on your Forum Star. :thumb:
Open control panel, internet options, set home page, set on whatever. Then open IE8 and behold ;D Then delete liks for MSN in IE8 and enjoy. :thumb:
Thanks for the Congrats ;D
I think perhaps we should all agree to disagree. There are people that dislike IE in general (and rightly so - it's the worst browser, fact), and there are people that like it. It would be a boring world if we all liked the same thing, I suppose. :)
Well, there's food... ;D
Here is a review of the top 10 browsers http://internet-browser-review.toptenreviews.com/
You'll find other reviews that are quite different too. :)
I didn't know there was that many ???
It's not about which is the best or the worst but obviously if it is not being used correctly then it can be misleading. IE8 is NOT about being full of MSN pages. I hate MSN pages and never visit them but enjoy IE8 and even more so with W7. ;D
Quote from: talos on Nov 01, 2009, 13:31:31
I didn't know there was that many ???
There are. A web browser coming third place that doesn't even adhere to web standards - something that I'd have said is pretty important - doesn't seem right. Not to mention how slow it is. Firefox, Chrome and Safari are all better options in every way, imho.
Quote from: Sebby on Nov 01, 2009, 13:31:05
You'll find other reviews that are quite different too. :)
It was just the 1st one that came up in a search.
Quote from: Den on Nov 01, 2009, 13:33:57
It's not about which is the best or the worst but obviously if it is not being used correctly then it can be misleading. IE8 is NOT about being full of MSN pages. I hate MSN pages and never visit them but enjoy IE8 and even more so with W7. ;D
It's got nothing to do with MSN! It's the browser. But, like I say, we're all different, so let's agree to disagree. :)
I'm not trying to convert any one, just pointing out an error in why Bobleslies opinion was formed. I like Outlook for my emails but it's not everyones favourite. ;)
Errors? :whome: :solved: Gone back to Firefox. ;D
What you know is always the best :eyebrow:
Quote from: Sebby on Nov 01, 2009, 13:27:03
There are people that dislike IE in general (and rightly so - it's the worst browser, fact), and there are people that like it.
Seb, whilst I agree with you about disliking IE, I've removed it from my Win 7 as I prefer Opera, though I must admit if I had to choose between FF and IE I'd take IE. I do have a problem with your statement "it's the worst browser, fact". It's the "fact" bit without expansion that's the problem.
If your referring to web standards etc, then yes, I would agree, but I think the majority of people couldn't give a fig about web standards etc all they want is a browser thats easy to use and works. You have to admit that IE works on almost every site. And yes I know that web designers have to jump through hoops to make sure their sites work in IE but to the average user thats irrelevant, all they see is a working browser. So to them the statement "IE is the worst" is not a fact if you see what I mean :)
Quote from: Sebby on Nov 01, 2009, 13:27:03
There are people that dislike IE in general (and rightly so - it's the worst browser, fact) .....
That depends on whose 'facts' you wish to believe. Like Den I'm not trying to convert anyone but if people prefer not to use IE8 then at least do so for the right reasons:
This is what my home page looks like in Firefox :
(http://gallery.idnet.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=84362&g2_serialNumber=1)
And this is what my home page looks like in IE8 :
(http://gallery.idnet.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=84365&g2_serialNumber=1)
They're not vastly different as far as I can tell.
I some times feel as if I am the odd one out.
I like Windows 7, Internet Explorer 8 and Office 2007.
I do not like other browsers as much as IE8 and don't fancy getting rid of windows in favour of any minority system. I don't even fancy changing to a Apple Mac or going back to my Amiga 1200.
That is not to say that what I have is the best, it's just what suits me, so do not tell me that what I have is rubbish just because it does not suite someone else. ;) >:D
Quote from: Den on Nov 01, 2009, 15:29:12
That is not to say that what I have is the best, it's just what suits me, so do not tell me that what I have is rubbish just because it does not suite someone else. ;) >:D
That's the key, Den, there's no right answer, just as there isn't in choice of car. It's what 'fits' us best.
Quote from: Den on Nov 01, 2009, 15:29:12
That is not to say that what I have is the best, it's just what suits me, so do not tell me that what I have is rubbish just because it does not suite someone else. ;) >:D
As Rik said thats spot on Den :thumb: I couldn't agree more :)
:iagree: too :thumb:
Quote from: Den on Nov 01, 2009, 15:29:12
I some times feel as if I am the odd one out.
I like Windows 7, Internet Explorer 8 and Office 2007.
I do not like other browsers as much as IE8 and don't fancy getting rid of windows in favour of any minority system. I don't even fancy changing to a Apple Mac or going back to my Amiga 1200.
That is not to say that what I have is the best, it's just what suits me, so do not tell me that what I have is rubbish just because it does not suite someone else. ;) >:D
I agree with you Den. You're not alone "That is not to say that what I have is the best, it's just what suits me,"
Not really tried or been tempted by other browsers so no experience in that field, but happy with with IE 8, works ok for me. :thumb:
I've tried some of the other browers and settled on Firefox when I was having problems with IE. But once I got IE8 working properly I soon moved back. Firefox was OK but no where hear as good to use as IE8 (FOR ME). >:D
Quote from: Den on Nov 01, 2009, 17:29:26
But once I got IE8 working properly....
;D
It's no seceret, I had a problem with it so I swapped across to Firefox. But I found a fix and then swapped back as there where parts of Firefox that would never run as well as I wanted (I love the way favourites are used as opposed to :puke: Bookmarks) ;)
Quote from: Odos on Nov 01, 2009, 15:14:57If your referring to web standards etc, then yes, I would agree, but I think the majority of people couldn't give a fig about web standards etc all they want is a browser thats easy to use and works. You have to admit that IE works on almost every site. And yes I know that web designers have to jump through hoops to make sure their sites work in IE but to the average user thats irrelevant, all they see is a working browser. So to them the statement "IE is the worst" is not a fact if you see what I mean :)
Okay. It's the worst for web standards and it's the slowest browser - these are both facts. I'd say that they are pretty important features for a browser to have.
Every site only works in IE because web designers have had to hack their code to do so, since it's the most popular browser. I take your point about the average user.
Quote from: john on Nov 01, 2009, 15:19:33
That depends on whose 'facts' you wish to believe. Like Den I'm not trying to convert anyone but if people prefer not to use IE8 then at least do so for the right reasons:
That's a very bad example. Firstly, it's an extremely simple page, and secondly, it's Google - of course it's going to work across all browsers. A far better comparison would be the Acid3 test.
This is what it should look like if the browser is rendering the page perfectly:
(http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/acid3-465.png)
IE8:
(http://en.onsoftware.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ie8-acid3-sm.png)
Firefox 3.5:
(http://simpsonmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/acid3Test_ff3.5.png)
Safari 4:
(http://37prime.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/safari_4_acid3test.png)
Google Chrome:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4WqvfgHNn0g/SctmdfOm75I/AAAAAAAADdY/IacWuEiz-cA/s400/Google_Chrome_2.0.169.0_Passes_And_Fails_Acid3_Test_1.png)
Quote from: Den on Nov 01, 2009, 15:29:12
That is not to say that what I have is the best, it's just what suits me, so do not tell me that what I have is rubbish just because it does not suite someone else. ;) >:D
I don't disagree with that one bit. So it suits you, and it suits a hell of a lot of others (largely because they don't know what else is out there), but the fact remains that it's a poor browser. :)
Quote from: Sebby on Nov 01, 2009, 22:53:24
That's a very bad example. Firstly, it's an extremely simple page, and secondly, it's Google - of course it's going to work across all browsers. A far better comparison would be the Acid3 test.
The point wasn't that it would or wouldn't work across all browsers but to illustrate to bobleslie that there wasn't much difference as he seemed to me (and I think Den) to be confusing the browsers and the MSN homepage. (http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=16879.msg401528#msg401528)
Whether a browser passes the 'acid test' is somewhat irelevant as IE8 has satisfactorily displayed all the pages I've looked at and whenever I've done tests between IE8 and firefox I could not discern any significant differences in appearance or speed.
I'm not saying that IE8 is better or worse than Firefox just that it's always worked okay for me and I've not seen any reason not to carry on using it.
Quote from: john on Nov 02, 2009, 00:09:45
Whether a browser passes the 'acid test' is somewhat irelevant as IE8 has satisfactorily displayed all the pages I've looked at and whenever I've done tests between IE8 and firefox I could not discern any significant differences in appearance or speed.
Do you know the reason for that? It's because web developers have to mess around with their code to get pages to display how they should. It's not for any other reason.
Quote from: john on Nov 02, 2009, 00:09:45I'm not saying that IE8 is better or worse than Firefox just that it's always worked okay for me and I've not seen any reason not to carry on using it.
I've no problem with that. Use it and enjoy it - it's still a bad browser, but if you're happy, then nothing else matters I guess. :)
So what the hell does that prove? That a page I am never going to look at or visit does not work on IE8. All the pages I have ever compared work the same on all the browsers that I have run them on. I repeat, it works for me and suits me and until it doesn't then I will carry on using it. ;D
Quote from: Den on Nov 02, 2009, 07:37:16
So what the hell does that prove? That a page I am never going to look at or visit does not work on IE8. All the pages I have ever compared work the same on all the browsers that I have run them on. I repeat, it works for me and suits me and until it doesn't then I will carry on using it. ;D
It proves that Microsoft want the web coded for them, that it makes things harder for others sadly, yes its a preference and we all have our own, but would you want roads that were only to be used by one make of car because of the surface and the tyres you had to use? I'm sure many road builders and car users would be damn annoyed, thats the same for those poor people that have to code for IE8 its not what they want generally. We all have what we like in life, from clothes to music its personal decision, but we should not forget that others may have issues, and not to care because it does not effect us is not the best approach in life. TBH I don't mind what browser anyone uses or what OS, I have my choices you have yours someone else has there's, but when web standards in this case are being manipulated for IE8/7/6 then that's not really good when MS could code more to the standards that are there for a reason, namely uniformity across the web. Anyway enjoy your choice of browser, I'll will enjoy mine, at the end of the day this argument can go on and on, pointlessly. Lets just leave it at you use yours I use mine, and we are all right to an extent with our choices, and sometimes wrong as well, after all no one is perfect thankfully ;D
I think behind it all is the sheer arrogrance and bloody mindedness of MS, who really don't appear to care too much about web standards,they probably still have the most widely used browser. So programmers have little choice but to make it work for IE.
Quote from: stevethegas on Nov 02, 2009, 08:31:23
I think behind it all is the sheer arrogrance and bloody mindedness of MS, who really don't appear to care too much about web standards,they probably still have the most widely used browser. So programmers have little choice but to make it work for IE.
And they always will Steve, well I hope one day that may change, but if MS did code for web standards and dropped active X I would have happily used IE8, the browser has some great features, but I now have to learn some new ones so IE is a fading memory, or will be when the guy from UPS turns up ;D
I use IE8 because I like its functionality and because I have to. In general I know that if a web page I've created displays as intended in IE8 it'll probably do the same in most other popular browsers. However IE8 users should not take for granted that they are seeing the web through the same eyes as other browser users. Further more those web pages that fail to resolve at all for IE8 users might well be responding for everyone else.
I do have installed the current version of most browsers and I'm actually finding Microsoft's reluctance to conform to web standards is becoming more of an issue than ever before. For example in the last two days alone I've had to purchase goods and services using google Chrome because IE8 failed to render two sites correctly. Last week I identified a major issue in vBulletin's latest forum software. Check out the enclosed screen shot. The browser at the top is IE8, the one below is Chrome. IE8 has failed to render the rounded corners in addition to a number of less obvious problems. This is would be design breaking as far as commercial organisations are concerned as they would be skinning the software to represent their corporate identity.
I do like IE8 but it does cause a lot of problems for web designers that may not be immediately apparent to the average user.
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I prefer IE8 because it loads in less than a second and displays everything I need very quickly. I have tries IE3 and it takes much longer to load and there is no difference in speed when browsing the web or displaying things.
This sort of "mines better than yours" has been going on since DOS vs windows, MAc vs PC, win 98se vs win 2000, linux vs windows etc etc. None is better than the other, they all have their own quirks, inconsistancies and foibles. The only thing with Windows is the fact that it has managed to evolve and work on such a myriad , diverse and unknown combination of hardware, software, memory and users. That alone is testament to its versatility.
I love all things MS, I never used to but as things have developed they have got better. :thumb:
Quote from: Den on Nov 02, 2009, 07:37:16
So what the hell does that prove? That a page I am never going to look at or visit does not work on IE8. All the pages I have ever compared work the same on all the browsers that I have run them on. I repeat, it works for me and suits me and until it doesn't then I will carry on using it. ;D
You've missed the point completely. ;)
But, as I say, if you like it, it doesn't matter.
Quote from: cavillas on Nov 02, 2009, 10:18:09
This sort of "mines better than yours" has been going on since DOS vs windows, MAc vs PC, win 98se vs win 2000, linux vs windows etc etc. None is better than the other, they all have their own quirks, inconsistancies and foibles. The only thing with Windows is the fact that it has managed to evolve and work on such a myriad , diverse and unknown combination of hardware, software, memory and users. That alone is testament to its versatility.
Honestly, there
are better browsers than IE. ;)
In your and others opinion but not in mine. ;)
No, there are better browsers, which is a fact. You just happen to like IE. ;D
I would suggest the OP is now thoroughly confused :blah:
Our work here is done. ;D
Quote from: Sebby on Nov 02, 2009, 12:12:19
No, there are better browsers, which is a fact. You just happen to like IE. ;D
That is the same as saying "I am right and you are wrong, because somebody said so" even though the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :wall: :bartmoon:
Quote from: talos on Nov 02, 2009, 12:45:00
I would suggest the OP is now thoroughly confused :blah:
I expect he is and I'd suggest that he ignores all our
prejudices opinions and instead downloads and tries several different browsers and chooses the one that suits him best.
Well said John on that we all agree. ;D
Quote from: bobleslie on Oct 31, 2009, 21:30:43
MSN is a bunch of rubbish. Always has been.
I looks like they've read what you said about MSN Bob :
Microsoft reveals new look MSN (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8342016.stm)
MSN Preview (http://www.msn.com/preview.aspx)
You probably still won't like it and if so don't make it your homepage :)
Still not keen on MSN but still prefer IE8 and have not seen on this thread a reason to change. ;D
Quote from: john on Nov 05, 2009, 13:34:10
I looks like they've read what you said about MSN Bob :
Microsoft reveals new look MSN (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8342016.stm)
MSN Preview (http://www.msn.com/preview.aspx)
You probably still won't like it and if so don't make it your homepage :)
I'll tell you what, it's about time the MSN homepage got a re-design. It's looked the same for I don't know how long. The new design is a lot more modern (i.e. simple) and is far better. I still couldn't see myself changing from Google, though. :)
As a matter of interest - I just installed the FF 3.6 beta - and it is lightening quick at rendering pages. Still only 92/100 on the Acid3 test - but I've never noticed a rendering bug (in 3.5) yet.
I'm not for one minute suggesting people install the beta (it WILL break some plugins and themes, most noticably for me the Google search bar and my Noia theme), but it looks like it could be gaining ground on Opera in terms of sheer rendering speed.
Steve
Quote from: D-Dan on Nov 05, 2009, 21:11:51
As a matter of interest - I just installed the FF 3.6 beta - and it is lightening quick at rendering pages. Still only 92/100 on the Acid3 test - but I've never noticed a rendering bug (in 3.5) yet.
That's still an impressive score. If you look on the Mozilla forum, there's the reasons why it doesn't score 100, and they're pretty minor things that won't affect very much. It's IE's score that's the worry. :)
Yesterday I was on the Java.com site (on Firefox) and a friend in Norfolk (on IE8) was doing the same at the same time and we were getting totally different screens. On Firefox when I was looking at Java downloads for Windows there were 2 versions with exactly the same text for OS's but with different file sizes. On IE8 they were displayed correctly, one for 32bit and one for 64bit, but the file sizes were totally different. So Firefox does not appear to be as good as I thought it was, if it is not displaying data correctly.
Colin
Update:
I have just updated Firefox with the latest update and the problem is still there on the Java site.
It's not Firefox, it's the Java site, Colin.
It's usually IE8 that has problems rendering correctly in my experience.
I've got to admit the current version of IE8 is proving to be a bit of pain. The number of websites I've encountered this week alone that IE8 can't cope with is slightly alarming. Setting aside the rending problems it seems IE8 is really struggling to work with interactive content.
As an example I couldn't sign up to http://demand.five.tv/Home.aspx last night because I couldn't check the required tick boxes. I had to load up Chrome to do it. This is just one of six of more sites I've had problems with just in the last few days.
That sounds like IE8. :)
:hehe:
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Nov 06, 2009, 14:51:32
It's usually IE8 that has problems rendering correctly in my experience.
I've got to admit the current version of IE8 is proving to be a bit of pain. The number of websites I've encountered this week alone that IE8 can't cope with is slightly alarming. Setting aside the rending problems it seems IE8 is really struggling to work with interactive content.
As an example I couldn't sign up to http://demand.five.tv/Home.aspx last night because I couldn't check the required tick boxes. I had to load up Chrome to do it. This is just one of six of more sites I've had problems with just in the last few days.
Tried the link and had no problem with it and so far have not found a site that IE8 has had a problem with.
Quote from: Den on Nov 06, 2009, 16:55:16
Tried the link and had no problem with it and so far have not found a site that IE8 has had a problem with.
I have not found one either in all the time I have ever used it, but I have seen at least 2 or 3 sites that do not work correctly in Firefox, probably the sites are configured for IE8 primarily because of it being the dominant browser used.
Colin
Quote from: wecpcs on Nov 06, 2009, 17:12:12
I have not found one either in all the time I have ever used it, but I have seen at least 2 or 3 sites that do not work correctly in Firefox, probably the sites are configured for IE8 primarily because of it being the dominant browser used.
Exactly right.
Can I just recap: If it does not work in IE8 it's microsoft fault and if it does not work in Firefox it's microsofts fault. Have I got that right now, just checking. ;) >:D
Quote from: Den on Nov 06, 2009, 16:55:16
Tried the link and had no problem with it and so far have not found a site that IE8 has had a problem with.
Were you able to create an account there Den?
Quote from: Den on Nov 06, 2009, 17:31:32
Can I just recap: If it does not work in IE8 it's microsoft fault and if it does not work in Firefox it's microsofts fault. Have I got that right now, just checking. ;) >:D
I see you are getting the idea finally :hehe:
I have used both IE8 and Firefox, I didnt have any problems with sites displaying correctly with either but I just prefer the look/feel/functionality of Firefox and (on my PC at least) Firefox feels much faster.
I have run Firefox, chrome, Opera, IE 7 and now IE8 on my computers. Preferred Firefox to both Chrome and Opera but did not like it anyware near as much as IE 8 and did not find any advantages in staying with them. Just get annoyed when IE gets slagged off just because it is microsoft and in my opinion for no other real reason ;D
I don't know that it's just because it's MS, Den. I'm happy for people to use whatever browser suits them best, but I know we have to specially code the forum so that it works with IE, simply because MS haven't followed web standards but have tried to impose their own.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Nov 06, 2009, 17:46:57
Were you able to create an account there Den?
I was able to create an account or at least tick the boxes after inserting some details (I didn't click on the 'register' button as I didn't want to register). I did have to select compatibility mode though.
Of all the sites that I access I've never had a problem so I'll stick with IE 8 thanks.
I can understand those who create web pages complaining if they have to do some extra work to ensure it displays correctly in IE 8 but I can't believe it is very onerous compared to creating the pages in the first place and as IE 8 is the most widely used browser it would not be in most coders interest not to do so if they want as wide an audience as possible.
I still like IE8 though >:D and I would not defend it so much if others stopped attacking it because they prefer somthing else. I don't rubbish other browsers I just don't think they work for me the way I like so I stick with what I know and like. :eyebrow:
Well said Den, but it seems to be fashionable these days to rubbish things for purely subjective reasons or for aspects that are of concern to us but don't affect others. Of course we are above all that aren't we :angel:
If I had a problem with Windows 7 or IE8 I would not post it on here because of the adverse comments that would come back at me. So all is well in Microsft Land. :angel:
Not much danger of that Den, I've been using IE in its various versions since 1995 and never had a problem with the browser.
People seem to be over protective of computers and software lately, is it the time of the year, sun spot activity, or some other reason?
Just defending Microsoft as they seem to require defending even though their products speak for them selves. :eyebrow:
Quote from: john on Nov 06, 2009, 19:19:52
I was able to create an account or at least tick the boxes after inserting some details (I didn't click on the 'register' button as I didn't want to register). I did have to select compatibility mode though.
That's interesting to know because I still can't do it. The only plugin I have running is the google tool bar, I wonder if that's causing an issue.
Thanks for the confirmation, I have some investigating to do :thumb:
Quote from: Den on Nov 06, 2009, 19:55:40
Just defending Microsoft as they seem to require defending even though their products speak for them selves. :eyebrow:
Microsoft gets bashed over web standards, that's fair, Active X is a security risk, thats known, Microsoft take ages to patch issues, that's well known, people get fed up with those things.
As to security at least they now offer that basic AV but that's not enough on its own, its a bit like buying home security and then having to employ an on sight security guy as the security can be infiltrated by people easily.
Windows seven is just as open to attack as all the other versions which is a shame, but it is built off Vista so its truly nothing that new. Microsoft need to show show the ingenuity that made windows special, not sit back and ride the same wave for decades, other people catch up that way.
As browsers go we have a favourite and thats fair, I have found the 64 bit version of Safari to be very fast on my Mac, I was surprised and quite like it, its good to have more than one string to your bow these days online, but when most of the technical world thinks IE is not a good browser it says something very loudly. Its fine to use what you want but many security advisers suggest using an alternative browser. Thats not me bashing it, thats just the way it is. Having to code sights especially for Microsoft because they want to do things there way when everyone else wants a standard is also unfair. We have a universal phone charger coming to make life easy for people, in some ways that is a little like like the browser issue.
Web standards that are there for a reason, not using them makes life more difficult for people who code sites, thats why IE8 has a compatibility mode, as many sites don't work correctly with it, even routers web interfaces need compatibility mode generally.
So is Microsoft expecting everyone to change things to suit them? Yes they are because they have such a massive market share, they are are cyber bully's in a way, and once again at the expense of coders and manufacturers. If they used those standards this would not happen. When MS are seen to do at least that with web standards then they will get less flack from the online community. Its not all about personal usage, you have to see the bigger picture, that's all. I also know Apple are no saints either buy the way, but they don't have a such a massive market share to abuse yet.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Nov 06, 2009, 21:00:32
That's interesting to know because I still can't do it. The only plugin I have running is the google tool bar, I wonder if that's causing an issue.
Thanks for the confirmation, I have some investigating to do :thumb:
No problem Zappa, hope you are able to sort it out okay (I don't have the Google tool bar running).
I find at work, that Google, Yahoo & MSN toolbars cause no end of problems, if anyone installs them, they are one of the 1st things that get taken off the machines.
Quote from: Glenn on Nov 06, 2009, 21:36:31
I find at work, that Google, Yahoo & MSN toolbars cause no end of problems, if anyone installs them, they are one of the 1st things that get taken off the machines.
I agree and have none of them on my computers perhaps thats why mine run so well ;)
Quote from: Den on Nov 06, 2009, 17:31:32
Can I just recap: If it does not work in IE8 it's microsoft fault and if it does not work in Firefox it's microsofts fault. Have I got that right now, just checking. ;) >:D
Yes, you are correct. :)
And if it rains tomorrow then I suppose that will be Microsofts fault too ;)
That will be Cray's fault the Met super computer regularly gets it wrong ;D
Must be running windows then!
More likely Unix ;)
Quote> What is the Operating System currently installed on a modern Cray computer?
Various. I am not an expert but from what I know e.g. on SV2 they have their
own version of Unix - UNICOS. On SV2 (X1) they run IRIX (or something close, it
is called UNICOS/MP). On some newer machines (XT3?) - Linux and maybe also some
other system. Additionally X1 actually contains some support microcomputers
with Linux and standard environment includes also some Linux and Solaris
machines.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.cray/browse_thread/thread/7b3a97841f321605
Or more likely some completely custom os!
So it's still Microsoft's fault for not writing an OS that can do what they need >:D
:clever: :hehe:
Quote from: john on Nov 07, 2009, 22:09:30
And if it rains tomorrow then I suppose that will be Microsofts fault too ;)
This is not having a go at Microsoft. In general:
- if a site doesn't display properly in IE, but it does in, say, Firefox, it's because IE does not comply with web standards and is not rendering the page properly;
- if a site displays properly in IE but not, say, Firefox, it's because the HTML has been coded to work with IE. After all, if the code complied with web standards, it would display properly in compliant browsers.
It's as simple as that. :)
Quote from: Glenn on Nov 06, 2009, 21:36:31
I find at work, that Google, Yahoo & MSN toolbars cause no end of problems, if anyone installs them, they are one of the 1st things that get taken off the machines.
I removed the google toolbar (a necessary evil due to the spell check component) and it still didn't work in IE8 for me. I then tried IE8 on three other PCs/Laptops all with the same result.
I still maintain you cannot click the radio check boxes in IE8.
[EDIT] However you can click the
text to the right of the check boxes which does toggle the radio button in IE8 ::)
Does it work in compatability mode?
It certainly should do, since that renders the page using the IE7 engine.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Nov 09, 2009, 12:08:54
I removed the google toolbar (a necessary evil due to the spell check component) and it still didn't work in IE8 for me. I then tried IE8 on three other PCs/Laptops all with the same result.
I still maintain you cannot click the radio check boxes in IE8.
[EDIT] However you can click the text to the right of the check boxes which does toggle the radio button in IE8 ::)
I've only got IE 7 at work and you can tick them okay in that, if I remember I'll try it again in IE8 tonight.
Quote from: Lance on Nov 09, 2009, 12:11:36
Does it work in compatability mode?
Yes!
Now that raises the question of why did I not think to try that in the first place? :blush:
Because you shouldn't have to? :)
Quote from: Sebby on Nov 09, 2009, 12:19:30
Because you shouldn't have to? :)
:lol: Good answer!
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Nov 09, 2009, 12:19:11
Yes!
Now that raises the question of why did I not think to try that in the first place? :blush:
We've got some code here which forces it on by default, as otherwise the themes do not display properly.
Which is:
<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=7" />
There is also a database on Windows, which is updated through Windows Update, so that certain sites known not to display properly in IE8 automatically use compatibility mode. A messy system, quite frankly.
Why we should be grateful for 5 years of Firefox (http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/web/why-everybody-should-be-grateful-for-five-years-of-firefox-648312). ;D
And I am. :)
I'm very grateful. What a fantastic, all round browser.
Without which, MS would have rested on their laurels at IE6, having killed off Netscape.
Quote from: Rik on Nov 09, 2009, 18:21:38
Without which, MS would have rested on their laurels at IE6, having killed off Netscape.
Very well said, one needs the other to push forward and grow, healthy competition is good
Quote from: Rik on Nov 09, 2009, 18:21:38
Without which, MS would have rested on their laurels at IE6, having killed off Netscape.
Not strictly true. The Netscape browser was still going up to March 2008 (http://browser.netscape.com/), and it could also be argued that Mozilla carried on the suite in spirit. It was built on the foundations of Netscape, and certainly
looked like Netscape, but without all the ads. :)
Well it's nice to know that Firefox is good for something :out: ;D
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Nov 09, 2009, 12:08:54
I removed the google toolbar (a necessary evil due to the spell check component) and it still didn't work in IE8 for me. I then tried IE8 on three other PCs/Laptops all with the same result.
I still maintain you cannot click the radio check boxes in IE8.
[EDIT] However you can click the text to the right of the check boxes which does toggle the radio button in IE8 ::)
Just tried it again and there was no problem, I didn't need to use the compatibility mode either.
I'm using the following version :
(http://gallery.idnet.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=84968&g2_serialNumber=1)
Quote from: john on Nov 09, 2009, 21:27:18
Well it's nice to know that Firefox is good for something :out: ;D
I don't understand that comment. ???
Quote from: john on Nov 09, 2009, 21:27:18
Well it's nice to know that Firefox is good for something :out: ;D
Whereas, IE8 is good for nothing. :nana: :evil: ;D
Quote from: Simon on Nov 09, 2009, 23:18:26
Whereas, IE8 is good for nothing. :nana: :evil: ;D
You mean zero problems :evil:
Quote from: john on Nov 09, 2009, 22:32:11
Just tried it again and there was no problem, I didn't need to use the compatibility mode either.
I'm using the following version :
(http://gallery.idnet.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=84968&g2_serialNumber=1)
I'm using what appears to be a later version or build. My version also reports a 256-bit Cypher Strength (which probably has nothing to do with it).
It does appear to be an issue with the build that I'm using (8.0.6001.18828) because I've recently encountered the same problem on another website. In this case around 2,500,000 people were required to access the site in order to update their account details and according to the web master everyone on that build has had issues with the site not displaying and/or reacting to interactive content correctly.
Thanks for the feedback, I'll try rolling back to an earlier build and see if that resolves the problem :thumb:
Quote from: talos on Nov 02, 2009, 12:45:00
I would suggest the OP is now thoroughly confused :blah:
Yes !
had a manic week and was ill last weekend so still trying to catch up on this epic now !
maybe by the time i read all of the posts i'll know what to do ! :D
I doubt it! ;D
:solved:
There'll be a new kid on the block (http://www.trustedreviews.com/software/news/2009/11/19/Microsoft-Reveals-First-Internet-Explorer-9-Details/p1) just in time for the Olympics. >:D
Thanks Bob for that, I can't wait and there's no date given for even its beta release :(
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/internet_explorer_9_standards/
IE can only get better, surely? ;D
In other words 'it goes from strength to strength' ;D
Quote from: john on Nov 19, 2009, 22:22:49
In other words 'it goes from strength to strength' ;D
It sure does, as the worlds slowest booting and rendering browser which does not follow web standards, and uses the highly unsafe active x :whistle:
Game, set, and match, to Gary. ;D
I think perhaps your a little biased Bob ;D
No matter how much you keep saying it's slow etc it doen't make any difference to me and many others who still cannot see any obvious difference in speed etc when compared to other browsers and it's still the most widely used one.
Quote from: john on Nov 20, 2009, 00:45:24
I think perhaps your a little biased Bob ;D
No matter how much you keep saying it's slow etc it doen't make any difference to me and many others who still cannot see any obvious difference in speed etc when compared to other browsers and it's still the most widely used one.
The speed gains are obvious and its rendering is slow, do some googling, active X is sadly still unsafe and the browser is like swiss cheese for holes, not saying others are not but many others get patched faster, Microsoft left one IE hole open for a year!
Its the most widly used browser mainly out of ignorance (not yours) but most people see it on the machine and use it, they people do not know there are alternatives unless they are techy types. We all use what suits us and that's fine, I would not want it any other way, but for drive by attacks IE is the worst, IE8 has to have a compatibility mode even now as some sites don't render correctly in it.
Google your browser, its speed issues its rendering issues, try the acid test, these will show in tried and tested means that IE8 comes bottom of the pack sadly. See these results below for some tests done on a broad range of browsers, the results speak for themselves about performance.
SunSpider 0.9 Benchmark
Total
Chrome 832.8ms +/- 1.7%
Safari 833.4ms +/- 1.7%
Firefox 3.5 1568.2ms +/- 0.6%
Opera 4048.0ms +/- 0.9%
IE8 6671.8ms +/- 0.7%
V8 Javascript Benchmark
A benchmark to test Javascript performance. Larger scores are better.
Chrome 2377
Safari 1683
Firefox 3.5 279
Opera 182
IE 71.3
When I listen to music I listen to what I prefer not what somebody tells me I should listen to. When I use my computer I use what I prefer not what a report by someone I don't know telling me what is best. I may try other things but I use what I like best. ;D
Gary, In this instance benchmarks are meaningless and useless. All that matters is the perceived speed by the end user.
:iagree:
Having tried several browsers I could not detect any difference in the real life speeds of the usual sites that I visit. The acid test is meaningless to me because it's not a site that I would normally visit and the ones I do display okay. I suspect this is also true for most other users of IE and is the reason why we stick with what we know and like.
(Also I wouldn't like all those web designers who have gone to the trouble of ensuring their creations disply correctly in IE to have done the extra work for nothing ;D)
Quote from: john on Nov 19, 2009, 20:36:19
Thanks Bob for that, I can't wait and there's no date given for even its beta release :(
Here's some additional information (http://www.winsupersite.com/live/ie9_preview.asp).
Quote from: Lance on Nov 20, 2009, 09:00:14
Gary, In this instance benchmarks are meaningless and useless. All that matters is the perceived speed by the end user.
It's slow to use and in benchmarks to me. :)
You're not trying hard enough, Sebby. Close your eyes next time and really concentrate. ;D
Quote from: bobleslie on Nov 20, 2009, 13:39:12
Here's some additional information (http://www.winsupersite.com/live/ie9_preview.asp).
:thnks: Bob :thumb:
Quote from: bobleslie on Nov 20, 2009, 19:05:16
You're not trying hard enough, Sebby. Close your eyes next time and really concentrate. ;D
:)x