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Title: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 14, 2010, 13:53:17
My BB will be life on Tuesday and I just can't wait - it's like Xmas but loads loads better :D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: DorsetBoy on May 14, 2010, 13:59:55
 :happy: :happy:  Party time on Tuesday then.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Steve on May 14, 2010, 14:03:15
 :thumb:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Simon on May 14, 2010, 14:10:23
Nice one, Diss!  :thumb:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 14, 2010, 14:11:53
Then I can put my dongle safely in the draw ;)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Ray on May 14, 2010, 14:18:29
Quote from: dissonance on May 14, 2010, 13:53:17
My BB will be life on Tuesday and I just can't wait - it's like Xmas but loads loads better :D
Excellent news, Diss, definitely party time, :happy: :thumb:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2010, 14:23:39
Quote from: dissonance on May 14, 2010, 14:11:53
Then I can put my dongle safely in the draw ;)

Don't you always keep it there? ;)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 14, 2010, 14:29:00
Rik behave pleaseeeeee
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2010, 14:30:52
 ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 17:17:37
Nearly Tuesday - got my router set up with all the settings.. when will I go life on Tuesday :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 17:18:39
Before 6pm, Diss. Normally, with a migration, it happens in the small hours, but with a new connection, there's physical work to be done at the exchange, so it's likely to be later.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: pctech on May 17, 2010, 17:20:45
You could be lucky though, they could dispatch the Openreach engineer to connect you to The Matrix the ADSL network today
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 17:24:11
 ;D

Cue the music...
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: pctech on May 17, 2010, 17:25:06
You think that's air you're breathing now?

Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: pctech on May 17, 2010, 17:26:08
Time to give my favourite sci-fi trilogy another outing soon I think.

Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 17:26:58
Quote from: pctech on May 17, 2010, 17:25:06
You think that's air you're breathing now?

If it is, it's not working too well. :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 17:30:25
I'm not lucky, no connection yet :( Just to check, it's a wireless router, so I don't need to connect an ethernet cable to set it up do I? Went into Netgear admin, entered all my settings and it's showing on my Mac airport.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: pctech on May 17, 2010, 17:32:36
Sounds OK Diss.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: quandam on May 17, 2010, 18:48:14
Tina

Hang on in there! Things will unfold gradually over the next 24 hours and all will be fine. Then you will be part of a superb IDNet set up, it will all be sorted within 24 hours ;)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:16:54
I'm on idnet .. yeah I've arrived ..whoooooo! please see I'm here.. well not connected to dongle
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Glenn on May 17, 2010, 19:18:02
 :welc: again
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:18:26
So you are, Tina, welcome home. :) :karma:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:19:56
sat here grinning like a cheshire cat - I am home :D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:21:51
 ;D

How's your speed?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:27:02
looking good I think.. well anything is compared to a dongle lol


HERE (http://www.speedtest.net/result/817537602.png)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:34:43
Ah shaddup. ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Glenn on May 17, 2010, 19:34:50
I can only dream of those speeds
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:35:16
speak english Rik lol
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Glenn on May 17, 2010, 19:35:49
He's jealous, Tina.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:36:22
well I am about 5 mins walk from the exchange :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:37:04
I'm not jealous, I'm very jealous. ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:37:50
I am just very very happy.. iplayer and spotify galore lol
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:38:37
Welcome, and im leaving next month, but soon to back again

rik's about 2hr walk  ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:39:37
Quote from: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:37:50
I am just very very happy.. iplayer and spotify galore lol

;D

Make sure you sign up to the RSS feed so you can keep an eye on your bandwidth usage, Tina.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:39:54
Quote from: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:38:37
Welcome, and im leaving next month, but soon to back again

rik's about 2hr walk  ;D

An hour, anyway.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:40:34
Sorry my mistake.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Simon on May 17, 2010, 19:41:35
:karmic: :congrats2:  Tina!  Nice to see *you* as well.  ;)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:42:27
Yes sorry how rude  :welcome: :karma:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:43:23
I'm not really new - was always here in spirit :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:44:16
we just like to welcome everyone, if your hungry rik can fill you pantry, but be warned its not cheap
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:44:35
Quote from: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:43:23
I'm not really new - was always here in spirit :)

I'm usually pickled too. ;)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:44:55
Quote from: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:44:16
we just like to welcome everyone, if your hungry rik can fill you pantry, but be warned its not cheap

We accept house calls. :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:45:51
Ok when I get my fridge you can come and fill it lol
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:46:28
lol he'll take you up on it aswell.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:47:13
Quote from: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:45:51
Ok when I get my fridge you can come and fill it lol

;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: cavillas on May 17, 2010, 19:48:19
And empty it ;D :rofl: :out:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:48:31
there an offer rik cant refuse pmsl
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:48:56
 ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:49:44
can see his little eyes lighting up
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:50:12
and its not on tina, more dr steaaaaks  :evil:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 19:53:23
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/817563091.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

just rubbing it in lol
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2010, 19:54:14
 ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 19:54:29
pardon tina  ;)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: pctech on May 17, 2010, 20:01:30
Honestly these people that boast about their 10 Meg connections......

Thats it, I'm posting my results from work on Wednesday where we have a 1 Gbps connection and I get about 55 Meg to the desktop.

;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 20:02:51
Quote from: pctech on May 17, 2010, 20:01:30
Honestly these people that boast about their 10 Meg connections......

Thats it, I'm posting my results from work on Wednesday where we have a 1 Gbps connection and I get about 55 Meg to the desktop.

;D

Now whos bragging then, my car is bigger than yours  :nana:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 17, 2010, 20:24:33
well my house is bigger than yours lol
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 17, 2010, 20:33:49
lol my grass is greener than yours
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 09:51:17
My monitor is better than yours.  ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 09:52:57
my stats a *still* better than yours :D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 09:54:13
:rofl:

Your upstream is looking a lot better today, Tina.  :thumb:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 09:57:17
oh that was the middle of the night.. hold on let me see what it's doing now


(http://www.speedtest.net/result/818147013.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 09:59:02
Still better. :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Simon on May 18, 2010, 09:59:39
:)x
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:00:51
are we all very jealous? Don't people normally gets those stats?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:05:24
Your upstream is about average for ADSL2+, Tina - even I get it. It's the downstream that we're all drooling over.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:06:46
what is ADSL +2 ?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:15:16
The service you're connected to, Tina, 'up to 24Mb'. ADSL1 is the 'up to 8M' service, and before that we had the fixed DSL services at 512k, 1M or 2M.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:23:54
ah now I get it. Are most people on ADSL2 + now?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:25:52
No, it's totally dependent on BT equipping exchanges, and they haven't got around to most yet. :(
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:27:19
ohh so I *am* lucky :D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:29:36
Me too, but I'm the only person on the staff whose exchange has been upgraded, which gives you a rough idea of the 'exclusivity' of ADSL2+.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:31:01
wow! So that's why my stats are so good? Cos it's ADSL 2+?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Simon on May 18, 2010, 10:31:23
Mine has, but I didn't go for it, as it's proven to be unstable in some cases. 
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:32:29
I didn't know I had gone for it - just put in the order :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:34:01
Quote from: Simon on May 18, 2010, 10:31:23
Mine has, but I didn't go for it, as it's proven to be unstable in some cases. 

I didn't realise that. You might as well go for it, as if it doesn't work out, you can be remodulated to ASDSL1, but retain the u/s gain and bandwidth.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:34:37
Quote from: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:32:29
I didn't know I had gone for it - just put in the order :)

New orders on upgraded exchanges are automatically placed for the fastest service.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:35:32
ohhh i soo love the Derby exchange :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:37:14
 ;D

Wait till you know when you're going to get fibre. :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:38:22
well I tried to check but it's said ADSL was in progress, but Derby isn't on that list someone posted anyhow
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:40:06
Wait till December, then. I'm due to get fibre, so I'll post my stats.  :evil:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:42:06
Then i *will* be v jealous
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Simon on May 18, 2010, 10:42:13
I'm happy as I am, Rik, and I don't think I would benefit that much, due to my distance from the exchange (about 2 miles).
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 10:46:23
fttc is a load of rubbish, bring back dialup  :evil:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:48:01
We're arranging it specially for your new house, Adam, at 300 baud.  :evil:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:48:32
Quote from: Simon on May 18, 2010, 10:42:13
I'm happy as I am, Rik, and I don't think I would benefit that much, due to my distance from the exchange (about 2 miles).

A bit closer than me, and I did gain.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:50:23
Quote from: Tina on May 18, 2010, 10:42:06
Then i *will* be v jealous

I'm just waiting to find out they haven't done my cabinet.  :hairpull:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 10:50:53
Quote from: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:48:01
We're arranging it specially for your new house, Adam, at 300 baud.  :evil:

I dont think im going to bother with home bb in the new house.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:52:13
You're going a dongling?  :o
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 10:53:23
I am dangling my dongle right now have a t-mobile with 3gb usage for £10 a month.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:59:49
I always know when you're dangling. ;)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 11:00:19
oh dear, and how do u know that?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 11:02:02
Your IP address changes. :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 11:05:20
you cant see my ip address.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 11:07:37
We can.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 11:08:35
Smart arse!!!! Why do u need peoples ip address?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Glenn on May 18, 2010, 11:12:32
In case you do something naughty, and the police need to identify your connection.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 11:12:55
They're logged against every post in the event of legal action.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 11:16:49
so how do u trace a mobile bb connection on pay as you go? which isnt registered?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 11:22:59
That's for the phone company to do, Adam. All we can do, if demanded by a court order, is provide the time, date and IP address. The ISP concerned does the rest.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: g7pkf on May 18, 2010, 11:24:44
Quote from: Rik on May 18, 2010, 10:40:06
Wait till December, then. I'm due to get fibre, so I'll post my stats.  :evil:

Ill set up a wireless link from your house to mine then ok Rik?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 11:25:47
Quote from: Rik on May 18, 2010, 11:22:59
That's for the phone company to do, Adam. All we can do, if demanded by a court order, is provide the time, date and IP address. The ISP concerned does the rest.

but they couldnt find me, not that im naughty boy ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Glenn on May 18, 2010, 11:27:05
If you still have the phone and sim in use, they can locate the area you are in.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 11:28:47
NP. If you can get past my security. ;)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 18, 2010, 16:41:36
and it gets better :)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/818486132.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2010, 16:45:18
 :thwack: ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Glenn on May 18, 2010, 16:49:55
 :pat:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 19:46:47
Quote from: Glenn on May 18, 2010, 11:27:05
If you still have the phone and sim in use, they can locate the area you are in.

Yes Glenn maybe but they cant pin point your accurate postion, plus im on the move alot, hiding from the crime left behind.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Glenn on May 18, 2010, 20:02:26
Triangulating on your phone signal will put it down to a few metres http://www.traceamobile.co.uk/faq.php
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 20:04:03
is this the same for a mobile broadband signal? Plus when its off it cant be traced
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Glenn on May 18, 2010, 20:10:28
All the time it is polling the base stations a phone or dongle can be located. If your turn off the device, only the last know position will be available.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 18, 2010, 20:23:28
They'll never find me lol he says
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: zappaDPJ on May 19, 2010, 07:39:12
Quote from: Tina on May 18, 2010, 16:41:36
and it gets better :)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/818486132.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

That looks pretty good to me  :thumb:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: MisterW on May 19, 2010, 08:34:02
Now this is what you call good!   :evil:

(http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/results/30807461.png)

Shame its the office connection though...
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2010, 09:18:45
 :tongue: ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 19, 2010, 18:32:31
my dangle dongle is way faster lol
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2010, 18:34:36
This I have to see. Speedtest!
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 19, 2010, 18:37:45
Down
DOWNLOAD   Up
UPLOAD
0.82 Mbps   0.27 Mbps
Date   19/05/10 18:36:57
Download speed   843.21 Kbps (0.82 Mbps)
Upload speed   281.23 Kbps (0.27 Mbps)
Server Port   8095 (tcp)


maybe not so fast here at chesterfield
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2010, 18:41:42
And you think that's faster than 17.33Mbps?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 19, 2010, 18:43:01
yes theres a tree blocking the signal rik. ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2010, 18:43:20
 :P :D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: MisterW on May 19, 2010, 18:49:57
Quoteyes theres a tree blocking the signal rik.
Are you sure its not that crooked church spire!  ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 19, 2010, 18:50:35
nope its deffo a tree and see the branches.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 20, 2010, 10:31:56
ohhh my best yet :D


(http://www.speedtest.net/result/820445909.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 10:32:40
show off  :showoff:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 20, 2010, 10:33:55
well can you blame me  :whome:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 20, 2010, 10:34:31
No, but we can be jealous. ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 20, 2010, 10:36:30
:rofl:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 10:36:48
Rik were's that ban button you have?  ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 20, 2010, 10:38:00
now now ;)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 10:39:21
we dont like need anymore smarty pants, plenty here alreadys isnt there RIK  ;D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 20, 2010, 10:40:20
well one more won't hurt will it :D
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 10:42:00
Nope suppose not and you can keep rik in line.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 20, 2010, 10:42:09
Quote from: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 10:39:21
we dont like need anymore smarty pants, plenty here alreadys isnt there RIK  ;D

I'm saying nothing. :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Tina on May 20, 2010, 10:42:49
No I need Rik on my side :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 20, 2010, 10:43:51
I'm on everyone's side. :)
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 10:44:06
oh help  :evil:
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 19:02:31
Down
DOWNLOAD   Up
UPLOAD
2.24 Mbps   0.31 Mbps
Date   20/05/10 19:00:28
Download speed   2290.73 Kbps (2.24 Mbps)
Upload speed   316.50 Kbps (0.31 Mbps)
Server Port   8095 (tcp)

New dongle speedtest. not bad for mobile bb, i have seen high 3 megs in the larger urban areas.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 20, 2010, 19:08:07
Where are you tonight?
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 19:08:29
ammonford
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 20, 2010, 19:09:57
You could pop up the road to the park...
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 19:11:02
which park
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: Rik on May 20, 2010, 19:12:02
Brecon National Park.
Title: Re: I go live on Tuesday
Post by: adamr8965 on May 20, 2010, 19:51:54
oh right yeah was up there this afternoon great roads and views