For anyone that cares, kick off is at 6.00pm.
http://www.apple.com/live/
Looking forward to it!
I'm only really interested in when, and how much. ;D
I wonder if this will be on the agenda? Let's take an educated guess...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29124991
" 6:06 p.m.
This day is an important day in Apple's history."
Every day is an important day in Apple's history... (sorry, can't help but be over dramatic about the over dramatic presentation. :)x )
PS "Only Live Streaming to Safari Browsers"... and hence why I don't use Apple products yet. :(
The huge phone is the better phone. Glad Im not upgrading, I really don't need a 'plus' phone. and not at the price they want for a 5.5inch which is the one with image stabilisation, Apple really have just made a phone that's almost a £1000 as they have removed the 32GB model so its 64GB for most, next stop android after my 5s dies. Edit: and a watch you mug people with its so fat <sigh>
I don't particularly like the appearance of the phone or the watch but I need to upgrade my iPhone 4 and it'll be to another Apple device. I really just need to decide whether to go for the 5s or the 6.
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/apple-supersizes-the-iphone-6-joins-the-big-screen-era-at-last/?
Quote from: Glenn on Sep 09, 2014, 20:05:44
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/apple-supersizes-the-iphone-6-joins-the-big-screen-era-at-last/?
The thing is for some people teh 5.5" is to big I need a phone to use in one hand in a wheelchair I dont need a phablet, I need just a phone. From the info on mac rumours showing internal parts it still have 1GB ram, well the 4.7" does and that's no better than the 5s, its got a fugly looky to it from my point of view, and I can see that sticking out lens getting damaged. Really glad I have the 5s and I can sit back and avoid this one. I have a tablet and a phone. personally I don't need it all in one, and to get the better features you need the 5.5" iPhone and it still ony has a 8Mp camera. Considering they removed the 32Gb model at 64GB its about £700 + Applecare so almost £800! they are having a right laugh for not a lot new. Lots of people are very disappointed with this release. Lets hope the iPad has more ram as its time to replace mine.
I definitely wouldn't want the Plus but I would have liked a 32GB model. The 16GB I currently have is fine but it's usually running full to capacity and I think that's what bricked it during the last update. I'm not disappointed by this release, I don't like the look of the phone as much as previous models but once it's cased that's of little consequence. I really need to see what the costs will be before deciding whether to go for a 5s or 6.
Lets hope the iPad has more ram as its time to replace mine
Just wondering Gary, why do you claim it's time to replace your iPad? The first iPad only came out 4 years ago and although they have improved there does not seem to be a big improvement from the iPad2.
I must admit I like my iPhone 4s but then again I like my Sony Xperia as well. ;D
Quote from: Den on Sep 09, 2014, 20:44:00
Lets hope the iPad has more ram as its time to replace mine
Just wondering Gary, why do you claim it's time to replace your iPad? The first iPad only came out 4 years ago and although they have improved there does not seem to be a big improvement from the iPad2.
I must admit I like my iPhone 4s but then again I like my Sony Xperia as well. ;D
You really are just in this for the fight Den if you believe that. However since I really really really don't like you I cant be bothered.
Bugger, I was hoping for a 32Gb one. I'm not really bothered as to whether it's got more RAM than the previous models, as that's not be the be all and end all. As they say, it's not the size, it's what you do with it that counts, and the 4S has never had a problem keeping up with itself, and has always been quick and snappy for me.
So, like Zap, I'm now undecided on the 6 or the 5S. The 5S would obviously be a cheaper upgrade option. :-\
Quote from: Gary on Sep 09, 2014, 20:50:14
You really are just in this for the fight Den if you believe that. However since I really really really don't like you I cant be bothered.
Actually, I'm with Den on that. Functionally, what
essentials do the later iPads have that the iPad2 doesn't?
Comparing like for like, 32GB no contract, it's currently £499 for the 5s and £619 for the 6.
I like the look of the 6, and I don't really see what's not to like about it, compared to the older models, as all that's really changed is that it's rounded off. If I go for the 6, I think I'll wait until I can get to hold them before deciding on the size. I'm not really sure that I need the larger model - and there is the cost!
Just looking at these, on the surface, once again, it doesn't seem like a great leap forward. I was expecting the screen to touch the sides, like on the HTC One, for example, but face on, they look identical to the older models, other than the size difference.
You really are just in this for the fight Den if you believe that. However since I really really really don't like you I cant be bothered.
How the hell did you come up with that statement Gary? I was making a valid point but if that's how you want to play and throw your toys out whenever you perceive that some one has a different opinion as your self then good luck to you, I certainly don't require your attitude when ever I post on here.
My wife enjoys using her iPad and I find them ok but prefer a desktop as I use it mainly for business. I like my iPhone 4s but mainly I use it as a phone so would not benefit from spending hundreds of pounds on upgrading.
Quote from: Simon on Sep 09, 2014, 21:19:38
I like the look of the 6, and I don't really see what's not to like about it, compared to the older models, as all that's really changed is that it's rounded off.
That's what I don't like so much. I prefer flat surfaces with bevelled edges rather than something shaped more like a rugby ball which gives an object the appearance of being bigger than it actually is. It's just a minor aesthetic detail but I'm a little surprise Apple went down that road because the 6 has lost a design element that was very Apple and quite unique.
There's no point in the larger model for me. It's not really pocket sized which is where my phone lives for most of the day and in any case I have an iPad. I'll take a trip to the Apple shop in a couple of weeks and make my decision then. If the 5s was £50+ cheaper I'd probably buy one but I think for an extra £120 the extra functionality of the 6 might just be worth it.
The other worry with the whole roundy offy thing on the 6 is, will it be even easier to drop? :-\
Well I know I won't be buying a new iPhone, I just cannot justify spending that amount of money anymore on a phone. I'm much more functional on an iPad, so I'm happy with my cheaper Nexus 5 it will last another couple of years hopefully and save any future investment for the larger screened iPads/tablets.
I think the 6 Plus is probably too large for my practical use and the smaller screen version still has inferior specs in terms of resolution to my current phone.
I thought I read / heard something somewhere about the build quality of the 5S not being all that wonderful? That would certainly be a cheaper upgrade option for me, as I could probably go for the 64Gb version, but will I then be regretting not going for the 6?!
:argh:
In case anyone is interested and missed it, you can download U2's latest album 'Songs of Innocence' free from iTunes. I've been told it's actually quite good but I've not listen to it myself.
If it's anything like their last latest song, I'll skip it even if it's free, thanks. :)
An Apple user walks into a bar and orders a bottle of drink.
After he finished his drink, the barman said, "That would be 200 quid, sir."
"What!" He exclaimed. "I only took one bottle. It was 50 quid yesterday."
"I know," replies the barman, "But you drank it from a bigger glass."
Quote from: Simon on Sep 09, 2014, 22:34:57
I thought I read / heard something somewhere about the build quality of the 5S not being all that wonderful? That would certainly be a cheaper upgrade option for me, as I could probably go for the 64Gb version, but will I then be regretting not going for the 6?!
:argh:
My 5s is built really well and its hit its year old mark now, Simon. The 5 had issues with anodising which was fixed in the 5s. Its a great phone.
I'm probably going to get the 64gb Plus. I'm a XL guy so my clothes have wide pockets!
To compare the Plus to an iPad (even the mini) is just rediculous as the size difference is so large. The 1gb of ram isn't an issue due to the way ios manages it.
Quote from: Lance on Sep 10, 2014, 09:17:07
I'm probably going to get the 64gb Plus. I'm a XL guy so my clothes have wide pockets!
To compare the Plus to an iPad (even the mini) is just rediculous as the size difference is so large. The 1gb of ram isn't an issue due to the way ios manages it.
1GB ram is an issue with ipads Safari refreshes tabs and crashes a lot more often than the iPhone does at 1GB. Apple forums and Mac Rumours are screaming out for more ram. I think the plus comes with 2GB hopefully as it needs it. In this day and age saying 1Gb is fine because of the OS feels an excuse, other phones have more ram its hardly expensive and with a 64bit CPU it could make do with it, the iPad and the iPhone both really need 2Gb.
The iPad fills the majority of my computer related needs, the phone I guess I look on as a leisure item so I'm happy to compromise especially on cost. I may go back to an iPhone but I prefer the S versions.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 10, 2014, 09:33:19
The iPad fills the majority of my computer related needs, the phone I guess I look on as a leisure item so I'm happy to compromise especially on cost. I may go back to an iPhone but I prefer the S versions.
The 6 Plus kind of does away with the iPad mini really, a nice all in one unit. The s versions do have all the wrinkles taken out which is nice. I'm just bored now so have ordered a HTC M8 Play version to see if I like it. If I dont like the M8 ill maybe get a 6 Plus next year, when all the kinks have been sorted, never buy the first model of a new variant. I phone 5 to 5S was a big change and sorted out anodising wear, chiping power button and loose batteries etc the 5S has been my favourite iPhone to date. Id still need a small handset for when out in the wheelchair as 5.5" is huge but battery life is better on the big phone and you get image stabilisation too.
I'm still quite tempted by the Blackberry Z30, at less than half the price of the iPhone 6.
Quote from: Simon on Sep 10, 2014, 19:29:56
I'm still quite tempted by the Blackberry Z30, at less than half the price of the iPhone 6.
Blackbery is kinda a dying platform though. It depends though what you need your phone for and how invested in the platform you are.
It's funny, I've never been into The Blackberry phones but have a friend who swears by them and wont have anything else.
I used Nokia for years and loved them and then they seemed to get left behind. I like the Sony Xperia range but had problems between them and my Vodafone Sure Signal and that's when I changed to my 4s, never had a problem since. Since I changed over and put a pay as you go sim in the Sony I have not had a problem with it again. :dunno:
I don't believe the future of Blackberry is certain either way. The problem is, if nobody buys into it because they think it's dying, then it will die, which will be a shame, as that will then leave even less choice with regards platforms.
I like the Sony brand, and I like Sony phones, but I don't like Android, and I think it's way too dominant in the market, so I would be reluctant to buy an Android phone for that reason. What I would like to see, is each major brand going back to having their own operating system, as that would make things much more interesting.
I'm not bothered whether I use iOS or Android as long as it does what I want. If you have an OS for each different phone manufacturer the inevitable will happen or indeed has happened , some will become dominant for a variety of reasons and others will fade away.
The thing that has always annoyed me about Apple gear is the premium charged for it, year after year with only slight tweaks, had it been priced a bit lower I may well have bought an iPhone when I moved over to a smartphone.
That said, I'm getting the feeling that all phone designers are really having a tough time trying to differentiate their devices.
Earpiece....check
Microphone...check
Large touchscreen...check
So how are we going to accommodate all that? Well the device can only be rectangular so how do we differentiate it? Errrr
Maybe when we get the proper flexible screens the clamshell touchscreen phone might appear.
But it would still only do the same thing.
Anyone pre-ordering today? :whistle:
Not me, but I have looked at the specs on the Galaxy S5 and HTC M8 ;)
Regarding the premium on Apple products - something I've always been happy to pay because of the previous build quality,we've a 4S that looks as good and functions as the day it was bought, so in that respect the additional cost is negated when compared with other devices of lesser quality.
Note the word previous as I've seen some tatty looking iPhone 5s around.
Not me. The 5 anodising came off, the 5S sorted that issue out, that's why S models are better.
Quote from: Simon on Sep 12, 2014, 10:57:46
Anyone pre-ordering today? :whistle:
At the moment I'm leaning towards getting a 32GB 5S on contract or spending £30 at my local phone fixer for a replacement home button on my 4. I may still get a 6 but I'd need to be convinced that it's going to get a lot more out of iOS 8 than the 5S.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Sep 12, 2014, 12:25:20
At the moment I'm leaning towards getting a 32GB 5S on contract or spending £30 at my local phone fixer for a replacement home button on my 4. I may still get a 6 but I'd need to be convinced that it's going to get a lot more out of iOS 8 than the 5S.
Id never go for contract, I always bought my iPhones sim free so they had good resale value after the fact and use a simplicity (O2) monthly contract. For £21 on a simplicity 4G I get unlimited calls unlimited texts and 1GB data which suits me, I always bought Applecare + as well as it covers you for two accidental drops during two years. My 64GB iPhone 5S is up on Amazon now with ones years worth of Applecare on it. With NFC the new phone is nice, better screen too, but ram may not have been increased on the 4.7 inch model.
1GB no matter what people say is not enough these days and iOS is optimised for 1GB does not cut it with me or many others now. I have had low memory warnings using safari both on iPhone but more so on the iPad. If I were tempted it would be the 6 Plus then I would ditch my iPad and have an all in one. It has a one handed mode so that sorts that issue out too. Thing is I think both new phones look really ugly with the antenna breaks and the sticky out lens ring and I want to see what issues they have that the S version will clear up too.
Quote from: Simon on Sep 12, 2014, 10:57:46
Anyone pre-ordering today? :whistle:
I just have! I have a nice 64gb 6 plus coming to me next Friday.
Flash git! ;D
I couldn't replace the iPad with a 6 Plus the screen would be too small I think and as a result I would lose functionality.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 12, 2014, 19:05:43
I couldn't replace the iPad with a 6 Plus the screen would be too small I think and as a result I would lose functionality.
The 6 plus is pretty huge, I held one yesterday, it would do for me, and the whole screen goes into landscape mode when turned like the iPad. Only thing is I could hardly get my hand round it, so it would be no good for me, I would drop it. Its actually a bit taller than the Galaxy Note 4. I will sit back and watch any issue manifest in the forums considering they have changed the number of LED's in the backlight this year, I wonder if it will create issues like the iPad air had with the book spine effect...
I don't like any of the larger phones and prefer something that I can put in my pocket or will fit in my car/van cradle. I think the larger ones would be OK if you carry a briefcase or handbag and ride a train or bus to work, but for a man in a van no way. ::)
This is The Register, so maybe a large pinch of salt required, but...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/13/apple_iphone_6_plus_shipments_delayed_in_uk/
Quote from: Simon on Sep 12, 2014, 18:07:30
Flash git! ;D
They don't have flash, Simon! ;)
Looks like they don't have any 6 Plusses either! ;D
Three have mine, and I'll have it Friday :)
Based on what I've heard and read elsewhere I think that report on potential supply problems is probably quite accurate. Early indications are suggesting that this is the world's most successful phone launch in terms of pre-orders. That's not bad for a phone which has attracted a lot of criticism for being so underwhelming. It certainly sounds like Apple have underestimated demand for the Plus. Something that might also have had an impact on the level of stock is Apple had to ditch the sapphire screens because of supply issues.
It's one of those strange facts of life. It was put best on another forum...
"If I'd known that everything I hate sold well, I'd have made millions making and selling things I don't like!"
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Sep 13, 2014, 19:29:10That's not bad for a phone which has attracted a lot of criticism for being so underwhelming.
But nearly every new iPhone has been underwhelming. We never seem to get quite as much as we expect. I'm still torturing myself over whether to get the 6 or not. I should put myself out of my misery and just hit the buy button - but seven hundred quid for a bloody phone! :swoon:
Go on Simon, you know you want too!
:bawl:
Isn't every new phone a little underwhelming, after all as you say it's a bloody phone! Glad I don't have to make a decision at present.
Indeed there is only so much innovation possible until a complete game changer cones out but I can't see that happening any time soon.
My problem is I can't decide whether to be underwhelmed by a 5S or a 6 ;D I might have held out a bit longer but iOS 8 doesn't run on the 4 (my current phone) and it has new functionality I'm interested in.
Such as, Zap? I know the messaging and notifications side may have had some tweaks, but the big push seems to be the health app, which I can't see being of any use to me! :laugh: I also don't think I'd want to store credit card details on the phone, so NFC isn't something I'd use on the 6 either.
I probably won't install iOS 8 on the 4S, even if it is compatible, as it will probably take up space that I haven't got. If the 5S was going cheaper, then I might be tempted, but they seem to still be selling for ~£500 on eBay, and I wouldn't pay that for a used phone, so, for me, I think it's going to be the 6, or I may even hold on to the 4S for a bit longer.
It's the health app I'm primarily interested in, it could prove really useful to me if it's any good. I'm also interested in the NFC aspect of it as well although that's still something which has to be adopted across the board to be of any use. It can't be any less secure than handing over your credit card in a restaurant, something I refuse to do and I've lost count of the number of people I know that have been stung by doing just that.
I'm also interested in WiFi calls, time-lapse photography, the improved weather app and a lot of minor functionality improvements such as swipe to delete albums and automatically message deletion (on a timer).
From what I've seen so far, although it has the same look and feel of iOS 7, there's a lot of changes behind the interface that should really enhance the hardware. To be honest I'm more interested in iOS 8 than I am buying a new phone but as I'm now locked out of iOS updates I don't have a lot of choice.
Quote from: Simon on Sep 13, 2014, 23:55:03
Such as, Zap? I know the messaging and notifications side may have had some tweaks, but the big push seems to be the health app, which I can't see being of any use to me! :laugh: I also don't think I'd want to store credit card details on the phone, so NFC isn't something I'd use on the 6 either.
I probably won't install iOS 8 on the 4S,
I would if it is, there will be security fixes in iOS 8, Simon that iOS 7 may not get. My 5s sold for the full £500 with its years warranty on Applecare left, so I have to decide what phone I want now. Not an iPhone this time around though.
If your not going iPhone Gary , it might just be worth waiting for the Moto X 2014 which should be out soon. My logic with moving to Android was not to spend on a top of the range HTC or Samsung as it might not suit after iOS although now after 10 months I'd be happy to move up to flashier designs than the Nexus 5 , (not that I've had any issues with it) provided I can avoid the bloat ware.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 14, 2014, 10:28:42
If your not going iPhone Gary , it might just be worth waiting for the Moto X 2014 which should be out soon. My logic with moving to Android was not to spend on a top of the range HTC or Samsung as it might not suit after iOS although now after 10 months I'd be happy to move up to flashier designs than the Nexus 5 , (not that I've had any issues with it) provided I can avoid the bloat ware.
Oddly I was just reading about that, Steve. A bloat free android phone sound good.
You could always buy an iPod (touch) as a much cheaper but perhaps not as convenient way of storing portable music.
I'm going to have to stop looking. I've looked at the Nokia Lumia 930 this evening, but even though it's a Windows phone, syncing with Outlook isn't possible via USB, so that's out of the equation. I've also been looking at the HTC One M8, which I have to admit, does look superb, and also has en expandable memory card slot.
Must admit I'm impressed by the look of the HTC M8 and as you say it's memory is expandable. If I was looking at a new Android phone I need some guarantee that it will be updated at some point to Android L or whatever they're going to call it.
Edit HTC will give you trade in for your iPhone as well.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 14, 2014, 21:51:13Edit HTC will give you trade in for your iPhone as well.
Oh, really? Where would I find that?
That's another issue - I do tend to get rather attached to things, and don't like to sell them on, which I know is ridiculous, but that's how it is. I've still got my iPhone 3GS, and even the old BlackBerry Storms before that! ;D
The trade in offer is on the HTC website but Amazon's price nearly negates their trade in offer for a 4S.
Yes, I've found it. Not great, is it?
Oops Apple hyping demand for its product again by restricting supply? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/13/apple_iphone_6_plus_shipments_delayed_in_uk/
Quote from: Steve on Sep 14, 2014, 22:31:53
The trade in offer is on the HTC website but Amazon's price nearly negates their trade in offer for a 4S.
Someone's just bought the one I was looking at on Amazon. Wasn't you was it, Steve? ;D
It does annoy me , if I want a new phone I don't want to wait that long , I do find it off putting and then if you wait until supplies are plentiful it's not long before the next model is announced.
@Simon - no I've not bought it, I'm waiting for the new Moto X , I don't think I'd use the SD slot.
My biggest worry is whether I'll get on with Android, having been used to the smoothness of iOS for so long. I think I'll probably wait for some proper reviews of the 6, but I'm currently leaning towards an HTC One M8, perhaps just until the 6S comes along next year.
There's plenty of 'blogs' about moving from iOS to Android. At least the Apps are in alphabetical order! You just sell your soul to Google instead of Apple.
Yeah, but it doesn't feel like you're selling your soul to Apple. ;D Or, perhaps it just feels safer doing so. :-\
I would never deal with HTC again. Having dealt with their CS in the past, that is an experience I don't ever want again.
Quote from: Simon on Sep 14, 2014, 23:09:25
Yeah, but it doesn't feel like you're selling your soul to Apple. ;D Or, perhaps it just feels safer doing so. :-\
Apple have excellent customer service, I mean really excellent. HTC when I was with Justina were awful now I think about it. Also you cant be sure they will bother to update the latest Android releass phones much beyond a year.
Yeah, I can't disagree there. A friend of mine's young daughter had an iPad and somehow (I suspect misuse) a small crack appeared in the screen. Her Mum took it to the Apple Store, expecting and fully intending to pay for a repair, and they replaced the whole device there and then, no questions asked, and she doesn't have Apple Care! I guess that's what you pay the premium for, but it's a hell of a premium in this case! If I do go for the 6, it'll only be the 64Gb version, as I've got the cost of replacement accessories to consider as well.
Quote from: Simon on Sep 14, 2014, 23:42:25
Yeah, I can't disagree there. A friend of mine's young daughter had an iPad and somehow (I suspect misuse) a small crack appeared in the screen. Her Mum took it to the Apple Store, expecting and fully intending to pay for a repair, and they replaced the whole device there and then, no questions asked, and she doesn't have Apple Care! I guess that's what you pay the premium for, but it's a hell of a premium in this case! If I do go for the 6, it'll only be the 64Gb version, as I've got the cost of replacement accessories to consider as well.
I would wait for reviews. I also would wait for a 6S really, they have the bugs from the first revision worked out, and bump in specs, I'm expecting screen issues and maybe camera ones. Also maybe signal with new aerial who knows :dunno: but the bleeding edge of tech no longer interests me.
The HTC M8 trade-in caught my eye the other day but £50.10 for my iPhone 4... I'd rather keep the phone and pay the extra. I was wondering how good the HTC Sync Manager is which transfers your stuff from iTunes I guess? It's a really nice looking phone but I'm still leaning towards an iPhone. If I cancel my Virgin gym subscription I can pay for an iPhone 6 in about 9 months with the money I save :o
Well my 'sold' iPhone 5s is now not sold as the credit card payment was refused >:( tbh maybe thats a good thing, it still has a lot of life left in it. I don't need a bigger screen it fits in my pocket easily, 64GB is my sweet spot, I don't need and wouldn't use or NFC for payments it has the same amount of ram as the 6 (not sure about 6 plus) and it has one years Applecare+ left to run, so ill stick with the 5S unless it gets bought again, although very tempted to keep it now, phones are getting so expensive, the 6 plus has nothing that a 2012 android handset didnt have as I see it and its to big to hold in one hand (well a Note 4 is for me and the 6 plus is taller!). See what happens next year I guess and just hope the new iPads this year will get more ram.
Quote from: Lance on Sep 13, 2014, 19:10:56
Three have mine, and I'll have it Friday :)
I take that back. Three f**ked up and the pre-order was never processed. Having now had it processed I won't get the phone until the 10th October. :mad: :mad:
:argh:
But, ISTR there have been delays with other Apple releases, haven't there? I believe I had to wait two to three weeks for my 4S, direct from Apple.
The issue is though had the pre-order been correctly processed last Friday, it would have been delivered this Friday. I'm now at the back of the queue :(
Quote from: Lance on Sep 15, 2014, 14:47:11
The issue is though had the pre-order been correctly processed last Friday, it would have been delivered this Friday. I'm now at the back of the queue :(
Lots of preorders have been put back it seems anyway Lance. This launch and the video stream seem to have been a cock up. At least you wont get the rushed to build units though which is a good thing.
I'm sure they don't build them all the week before they're released, do they? They probably had a warehouse full of them for months before they even announced them. Like with the yellow screens on the 4S and the iPad 'bookspine' thing, I reckon it's just pot luck if you get a bad one. If anything, it might be the second lot that are rushed, with them trying to clear back orders.
I just find it amazing that people stand in line to buy something of that value on the say so of someone else. Just remember today is the day that you will order/receive your new iPhone 6 and it will be the best thing ever until iPhone 7 comes out.
I wonder if so many people would stand in line if the magazines had slammed it as they did with Windows 8. I'm sure if we took the trouble to go back through the postings on here over the last few years we would find the same people waiting for their new iPhone.
No I'm not knocking the iPhone my 4s is great and I will most likely stick with it until it falls apart, ;D
Puzzled Den, how the heck are we supposed to get any clues to a devices ability without reading the reviews, surely Windows 8 was rightly slated and indeed has not been a roaring success. At least Apple have a pedigree of producing a decent phone, Microsoft lost their way after Win 98 and have never regained the trust or the ground they lost. Sadly with phones the look is more important to some than the function. Anyway can anyone get me an invite for a OnePlusOne - now that is value for money.
Have to admit, I find it astonishing that there were people queueing outside of some Apple stores, when the product wasn't available for a week! I guess there's seen to be some sort of kudos in being the first one 'on the block' to have the new Apple device, which I suppose proves they (Apple) must be doing something right to have desire reach such heights, but you wouldn't catch me queueing for 10 minutes for one, let alone a week! :laugh:
My point exactly Simon, the iPhone 6 may be the best phone ever but is it that much better than the IPhone 5s that for the last year everyone was saying is the best phone ever. I can't see the point of joining a queue for a week just to say you had the first.
As has pointed out before, reviews are not always unbiased after all if some one gave me a iPhone 6 free of charge on the condition that I tell everyone how good it is what do you think I would do. :slap:
I think that's a slightly skewed view of reviews, Den. I think there are plenty of unbiased reviews available for lots of phones, some of which are not particularly complimentary, so I don't think it's the case, on the whole, that reviewers are given phones on the condition that they sing their praises.
Me neither, but that was a point put forward when discussing Antivirus programs not long ago. >:D
Apparently Apple sold over 4 million iPhones in the first 24 hours after the launch, double the number of iPhone 5's that were sold during the same time period. I've also heard (no idea if it's true) that Apple stand to gain 15 cents from every $100 spent using Apple Pay.
That wouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: Simon on Sep 15, 2014, 16:20:15
I'm sure they don't build them all the week before they're released, do they? They probably had a warehouse full of them for months before they even announced them. Like with the yellow screens on the 4S and the iPad 'bookspine' thing, I reckon it's just pot luck if you get a bad one. If anything, it might be the second lot that are rushed, with them trying to clear back orders.
From experience, like the say the PS4 the first units are rushed to get huge numbers out, second and third batches tend to be less problematic, Simon. The people in the
sweat houses factories are pushed damn hard. The first batch of PS4's for example had issues as interns made them, and from personal experience the first batch of iPhone 5's had more damage and scuffs, I went though seven of them! When the 5S came along production was sorted and no scuffs or dents were present.
On closer inspection the iWatch actually looks rather nice. I guess tiny photos on Twitter don't help with product image. :P
If you haven't already heard, the iPhone 6 is not a phone to keep in your trouser pocket: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/23/iphone-6-plus-bending-pockets/
I was in the process of ordering one from Tesco when I read that and decided not to go ahead. A bit of Googling suggests that it's not an isolated incident. It seems the phone has a weak area around where the side buttons protrude and it's particular bad on the Plus.
That's the larger 6 Plus, though. I think it's probably common sense not to keep a large device such as that in a pocket, where it's likely to get squashed. Not to mention, it can't be very comfortable! I can't comment on the 5/5S, but I've sat on my 4S plenty of times, and it hasn't bent! ;D
Off topic, but I have an HTC One M8 on it's way to me, so hopefully that'll do me until the 6S comes out next year.
There have been reports of both phones bending but the Plus certainly seems to be getting the most press. I blame McDonald's ;D
Apple will say it's the way you're sitting. ;D
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/24/iphone-6-plus-bend-pockets-complain
Seems to be an issue with any phone built with a metal frame otherwise the iPhone seems well built
Quote from: Steve on Sep 24, 2014, 18:53:23
Seems to be an issue with any phone built with a metal frame otherwise the iPhone seems well built
Manager tried to take a sticker off the display cooker today... the sticker stayed in his hands, and the door peeled off... :slap:
They don't make them like they use to! :)x
Well, I've now got my (currently straight) iPhone 6 plus and it is a lovely phone.
Despite Three insisting yesterday that delivery would be on the 10th October when questions ng why their website says 3rd October for new orders, last night I got the DPD text message with the tracking info.
It is much, much faster than my iPhone 4!
Excellent!
iOS 8.0.2 was released last night
Who dares?? :)x
I updated this morning without issue. I figured they wouldn't release two dud updates in a row!
Figured? Or hoped? ;D
I went to the Apple store earlier today and spent a couple of hours comparing the 5s to the 6. The first thing I learned is that neither phone was able to learn my fingerprint(s). I've never had particularly distinctive prints because of the amount of time I spend playing stringed instruments but I really didn't expect it to present that much of an issue with the phone.
The speed difference between the two units (same iOS version) was quite noticeable but what really caught my eye was the difference in screen quality. At the same luminance setting the 6 was surprisingly clearer. In fact I could easily use it without my glasses. According to the sales staff I spoke to they have had no bent phones returned, just a few Plus phones with dead pixels. The Plus is nice, really nice but there's no way on this earth I would hold that up to my ear to take a call!
Having now seen the 6 properly I like the design even less compared to the to 5 and it does bother me slightly that is really is so thin. However slapping a case on it will negate both of my grievances to some extent and the fact that I can actually see the screen without glasses is a huge plus point. I shall resume my order with Tesco on Monday!
A bit of both, Simon!
I've had no issues with the fingerprint recognition, but neither have I ever played string instruments!
Good luck with the purchase, Zap.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Sep 27, 2014, 01:30:23
I went to the Apple store earlier today and spent a couple of hours comparing the 5s to the 6. The first thing I learned is that neither phone was able to learn my fingerprint(s). I've never had particularly distinctive prints because of the amount of time I spend playing stringed instruments but I really didn't expect it to present that much of an issue with the phone.
The speed difference between the two units (same iOS version) was quite noticeable but what really caught my eye was the difference in screen quality. At the same luminance setting the 6 was surprisingly clearer. In fact I could easily use it without my glasses. According to the sales staff I spoke to they have had no bent phones returned, just a few Plus phones with dead pixels. The Plus is nice, really nice but there's no way on this earth I would hold that up to my ear to take a call!
Having now seen the 6 properly I like the design even less compared to the to 5 and it does bother me slightly that is really is so thin. However slapping a case on it will negate both of my grievances to some extent and the fact that I can actually see the screen without glasses is a huge plus point. I shall resume my order with Tesco on Monday!
The screen is gorgeous, but I don't think its that much faster in the menu's myself, and with people still having issues with headphone jacks, and the fact it takes 70-90lbs of force to bend one and 130lbs to bend a 5S I know where I'm staying this time round. The phone does not offer me much that's new that I don't have now and its too slim and the protruding camera is ugly I think, but that's personal choice. The camera produces orbs with side lighting at night and my 5S had a better signal than the 6 in the O2 shop which I thought was very odd, I see too many issues with this version. I have the cash sitting here for an unlocked version from Apple, but I just cant buy one this year with good conscience, its an odd feeling. :-\
Quote from: Lance on Sep 27, 2014, 07:45:18
Good luck with the purchase, Zap.
Thanks, I might need it, they've probably sold out since I last rang!
Quote from: Gary on Sep 27, 2014, 08:13:06
The screen is gorgeous, but I don't think its that much faster in the menu's myself,
I was able to compare the two side by side. There's not a great deal to choose between them from a navigational point of view but anything graphically intensive is noticeably faster. I'm still a little hesitant as it's a lot of money. If I get the same use out of it as I did with my iPhone 4 then the cost is almost insignificant. I'm just a bit concerned that I'll bend the damn thing as it will spend most of it's life in my front pocket.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Sep 27, 2014, 10:37:02
Thanks, I might need it, they've probably sold out since I last rang!
I was able to compare the two side by side. There's not a great deal to choose between them from a navigational point of view but anything graphically intensive is noticeably faster. I'm still a little hesitant as it's a lot of money. If I get the same use out of it as I did with my iPhone 4 then the cost is almost insignificant. I'm just a bit concerned that I'll bend the damn thing as it will spend most of it's life in my front pocket.
6 is hard to bend, but a test was done showing the earlier 5 and 5S were much stronger. I wish Apple had gone for a thicker phone over super slim. The screen is wonderful, but i was surprised that the 4.7" screen does not give me as much screen real estate as I was expecting over my 5S. The 6 plus is just way to big and with a case would be silly for me, I can see that getting dented. The headphone socket thing does worry me though . Financially it makes sense to update now sell my 5S while it has good value and sell 6 next year for a 6S or just keep the cash for a year and wait it out. That way though I loose any money my 5S is worth. I don't do graphically intensive stuff on my phone like gaming, I have no social media on it either. I watch you tube videos on it once in a blue moon but it plays them fine, in fact it runs iOS 8 as fast pretty much as it did iOS7.
I guess I'm getting bored of the whole phone upgrade cycle thing and more cynical, bigger screens with the same amount or ram means a compromise somewhere, as how is the ram shared between the CPU and GPU on say the 6 plus? These phones need more ram I think, 2GB would be fine, and I guess that will come next year. Maybe its my age now, as apart from a better screen, which is still not 1080P on the 6 which is a shame what do I get? More issues it seems and there have been reports that this year the screen seems to scratch more easily and signal is not as good as the earlier 4 and 5 models but the only way for sure is to test it yourself. I think ill have to wait a good month or two to see what happens on the Apple forums, if the headphone jack remains a pain i'll just stay with mine till next year...or will I ;) Normally this should be a no brainer upgrade but I just have cold feet this time.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6546098 (headphone jack issues)
Do let us know how you get on with it Simon, particularly signal wise as it looks a lovely device (I do like metal cased phones) but as I said I was somewhat disappointed with the Desire S' performance on that score which was a shame as the device was nicely weighted and felt very well made but it needs to work well as a phone as this is the primary reason I have one.
I have a very poor signal at home, Mitch, and most of the time this one is actually showing 0 bars but I can still make and receive calls, which is actually an improvement on the iPhone 4S with which I could barely make calls
at all at home, even with one or two bars.
I had a total nightmare setting up mobile internet and MMS, which involved two calls to O2 at 30 minutes each, but it's finally working now. I'm also finding the keyboard very difficult to get used to, particularly when trying to place the cursor to edit something.
The iPhone has that simplicity, and 'just works', which is what I'm missing the most. The problem, though, isn't the device, but the operating system. Despite the recent upgrade issues, Apple just have that so right, and everything seems like hard work with Android.
Only used iOS a little on the iPad at work and would agree that the Android experience is a little less polished shall we say but would agree that Google could improve text editing on it.
Considering that's what I do for much of the day, it could become quite a frustration.
If you have a poor phone signal at home Simon, depending who your provider is you can get a signal booster that plugs into your router. I'm with Vodafone and I use their sure signal and get a 100% signal even though I was lucky to get one or two bars without it.
I don't really need it though, Den, as all I need to do is forward incoming mobile calls to my landline when at home. Everything else on the mobile is done over WiFi. :)
You could use the TU go app http://www.o2.co.uk/apps/tu-go
I've used that and it does work but could be a nuisance at times on my previous iPhone
So, I guess if one were to order an iPhone now, and one received a 'bendy' one, one could take it to an Apple shop and get it replaced, but will they actually be doing anything about making it more robust with new batches? I'm tearing my hair out trying to use this Android device, so my finger is getting dangerously close to the Buy button for an iPhone 6. I suppose I could go back to my 4S, but I've swapped the SIM now, for a nano, and I'm not sure if I can swap back, or if it's worth the hassle of doing so. I'm sure I could tolerate this HTC for a while if I knew a 6 was in the bag. :whistle:
In Jobs' day I'd probably say not, he'd probably just say 'just don't sit on it'
Tim Cook seems to be much more business minded so probably, yes.
There are various reports coming out claiming that the iPhone i6 is not as bendy as the initial scaremongerin portrayed.
To be honest Simon I don't have any great issues using Android ok text editing could be simpler with the annoying blue sliders as the magnifying glass effect on iOS is difficult to beat.
This one also has a magnifying effect, in a square bubble, but it seems very random as to when and whether it works.
Quote from: pctech on Sep 28, 2014, 17:37:23
In Jobs' day I'd probably say not, he'd probably just say 'just don't sit on it'
Tim Cook seems to be much more business minded so probably, yes.
I think it more likely that Jobs would have publicly humiliated and then fired the staff responsible.
Am thinking back to Antennagate which, lets face it, he could have handled better.
Simon, why are you concerned about the iPhone 6 being bendy? Its no more bendy than the M8 you've already got!
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The results showed that the 6 Plus was actually stronger than the iPhone 6, starting to deform at 90 pounds of force and having its screen and case separate at 110 pounds of force. The iPhone 6 started to deform at 70 pounds of force and started coming apart at 100 pounds of force. The HTC One (m8) performed the worst in Consumer Reports' test, deforming at 70 pounds of force and coming apart at 90 pounds of force.
Source: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/26/consumer-reports-iphone6-bend-test/
At least the balanced opinions seem now to be appearing although one can't escape 8.0.1 which surely has no excuses.
Well, for a start, we didn't know about the M8 at the time the iPhone 6 stories were breaking. Why wasn't there a big furore about that then? Because it isn't Apple? :-\
Indeed, if it is Apple its a story. If it is HTC or even blackberry its a case of who cares as far as the press is concerned.
Also, they wouldn't have done the tests if it wasn't for reports of the 6/6+, so if the HTC is even more 'bendable', then I'm surprised no one reported that before now.
I think it's about the same as trying to break 4 lead pencils at the same time , so it's not that easy. Certainly it appears weaker than the 5 which was nearly twice as un bendy as the 6. What puzzles me is why people deliberate try to bend their phones as producing that amount of force whilst bending forward is going to injure your groin and if you daft enough to sit down on a hard chair with your phone in your back pocket.
Sitting on a chair, or getting into the car, with the phone in your back pocket is easily done, though, as you tend to forget it's there. Not sure you would with the size of these ones, but even so, it's an understandable mishap.
No matter what this kind of puts me off, and this test was done in the street. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3Ds6uf0Yg
It does look relatively easy.
Lucky for him he's got the money to buy a brand new phone and deliberately wreck it. But I guess he has a point - they should have been stress tested. I wonder if a hard case would help? That might also solve the sticky out camera lens issue as well. Roll on the iPhone 7! ;D
Quote from: Simon on Sep 29, 2014, 13:34:55
Lucky for him he's got the money to buy a brand new phone and deliberately wreck it. But I guess he has a point - they should have been stress tested. I wonder if a hard case would help? That might also solve the sticky out camera lens issue as well. Roll on the iPhone 7! ;D
the hits his channel has made he can afford it now. It would have to be a very hard case very very hard.
Quote from: pctech on Sep 28, 2014, 19:36:45
Am thinking back to Antennagate which, lets face it, he could have handled better.
Was that a purposeful play on words? ;)
Quote from: Simon on Sep 28, 2014, 21:20:46
Well, for a start, we didn't know about the M8 at the time the iPhone 6 stories were breaking. Why wasn't there a big furore about that then? Because it isn't Apple? :-\
I agree people tend to pick on Apple. But they make a few phones. Other companies make lots, so 1 or 2 ( or more ;) ) failures can fall through the gaps. Where I work, some companies produce real lemons, and I never hear anyone talking about it just "they make quality products". So go figure. :dunno:
It's going to be a week or two at least before I get to stress test an iPhone 6. The model I want is out of stock and there's a waiting list which I elected not to join.
All this talk of phones has made me itchy , I've done a bit of research and opted for the Xperia Z3. Next step will be to decide what to do about the iPad later this year, it's a version 4 running 8.0.2 and Safari is not happy, it keeps freezing accessing webpages, altogether a tad tedious.
The one and only thing that put me off the Z3 is the flap you have to open each time you want to connect a charger. Reports from previous versions suggest that this is a weak point, and that the flaps soon break.
That's precisely why I bought a magnetic charging dock as well so no flaps to play with in that regard. Pissed off with O2 though, no answer from CS after 30 mins today - I need to go nano SIM. Went to the O2 shop nearby and got one, bloody woman activated it with out asking and of course my Nexus 5 now does not work with the old Sim or the new SIM with the correct adaptor.
I won't panic until tomorrow unless the phone doesn't arrive as promised, I'll survive without a mobile until then, the nano SIM has been activated as it works with the adaptor in my iPad.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but you could have ordered a nano SIM online, then waited until you were ready to activate it, which you can also do online. When I swapped to my HTC, it took less than an hour for it to be activated.
I agree Simon I've done it before but I wanted it for tomorrow,why she had to activate I don't know.
How odd I've managed to get the old 3GS working with 2 SIM card adaptors i.e. a micro one and nano one .
Quote from: Steve on Oct 01, 2014, 10:17:43
All this talk of phones has made me itchy , I've done a bit of research and opted for the Xperia Z3. Next step will be to decide what to do about the iPad later this year, it's a version 4 running 8.0.2 and Safari is not happy, it keeps freezing accessing webpages, altogether a tad tedious.
I bought the Z2 when it first came out 6 months ago along with the magnetic charging dock and I cannot fault in any way at all and the battery life is brilliant lasts me 2-3 days on a charge, so I think you will be very pleased with your Z3.
Colin
I am very pleased so far , just bloody RM can't deliver a memory card by the next day. Never mind last time I complained to Amazon it wasn't without benefit ;)
Maybe we should have an Android board? :whistle:
I'm getting more used to my HTC One M8 now, but the operating system isn't a patch on iOS, and I haven't found anything worth having in the Play Store which isn't infested with ads.
Perhaps we should iOS is great for it's simplicity but the downside is it's rigidity, as opposed to Android which is extremely flexible in function and layout
Except when you want to set a task with fortnightly repeats. ::)
You can't win now iOS 8.02 has bluetooth issues.
http://www.hallels.com/articles/7661/20140929/iphone-6-latest-news-car-bluetooth-problems-surface.htm
:aarrgh:
I wonder if they'll get to the point of recalling the lot of them? I'm sure this wouldn't have happened under Jobs.
Quote from: Simon on Oct 02, 2014, 19:27:10
I wonder if they'll get to the point of recalling the lot of them? I'm sure this wouldn't have happened under Jobs.
That's a firmware issue not a phone one I think. The 6 is a nice phone, shame the screen scratches so easily though, my old 5S my 5 my 4s etc were all great screen wise. Reports on that are growing about and display uniformity issues as well. I think next years phone will have more ram a better reinforcement and I think the screen scratching issue will be sorted out. Always avoid version one of a new design. I like the Z3 but it has to much glass again and is to big for me, its a smash waiting to happen. I like small phones that I can use one handed tbh. My 5s will do me another year hopefully.
At least one manufacturer has realised you can use a larger phone with one hand by placing the power, volume buttons and camera button within reach of the holding hands thumb. You mention the ram issue again but various bench tests are showing that the 6 still beats the S5 and HTC for performance with similar apps. Apple's advantage of course has to be down to fixed hardware OS setup whereas Android is akin to windows having to provide for a multitude of hardware setups and to perform needs CPU power and extra RAM.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 03, 2014, 10:51:49
At least one manufacturer has realised you can use a larger phone with one hand by placing the power, volume buttons and camera button within reach of the holding hands thumb. You mention the ram issue again but various bench tests are showing that the 6 still beats the S5 and HTC for performance with similar apps. Apple's advantage of course has to be down to fixed hardware OS setup whereas Android is akin to windows having to provide for a multitude of hardware setups and to perform needs CPU power and extra RAM.
I mention ram as its really needed in the iPad comapred with the iPhone, no matter what though 1GB is just being cheap/stingy in the iPhone 6 at its price point no matter how optimised it may be, 2GB would have given it an edge.It may beat those phones in tests but those tests are not real world 'how many tabs on my screen are open and refreshing all the time with low memory problems' The iPad air threads on teh Apple forums were full of people wanting better memory management and more ram for that very reason. It would be good to see a 64 bit CPU using more than 1GB ram tbh too...
I bet the iPad air thingy comes out with 2GB this year, meaning the iPhone 6S will next year, It's the only way Apple will get people to update from a 6. The Z3 is gorgeous and a fair price to, very tempted by one, but I don't want an all glass phone. If only they made one with a polycarbonate back like the Nokia Lumia's then I would be sold. The iPhone 5C felt nicer to hold than the 5S really in that respect, and was less prone to damage. Aluminium gets scuffed and dented, the 3GS was gorgeous and that was plastic. Apple used to be at the top of their game, and with materials that can heal themselves (hell there is a case coming out for the iPhone that can heal scratches in itself) some genuine innovation in build wouldn't go amiss from some companies. A self healing back panel and the dust and water resistance aspect would make it perfect. Sadly perfect does not sell upgrades ;)
All I can say is that the ram has not been an issue for me. I use my iphone extensively and have never found it an issue.
http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/news/2014/10/ios_8_0_2_the_key_problems_with_apple_s_latest_update/
But do we believe it, I know competition is heathly but it seems to me that Apple struggle to bring out a new phone and new iOS at the same time perhaps if they were less ambitious users would have less issues.
Although part of me thinks there's an anti Apple element to the news releases which I understand from the arrogance of the hard earned Job's era. I ask myself why I have a stuttering default browser on an iPad that's less than two years old.
Funnily enough, my cousin has a 4S, and hasn't had any problems with the upgrades, although, she did skip 8.0.0 and upgraded from 7 to 8.0.1. I guess the older hardware doesn't support a lot of the problematic functions anyway.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 03, 2014, 20:30:07
http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/news/2014/10/ios_8_0_2_the_key_problems_with_apple_s_latest_update/
But do we believe it, I know competition is heathly but it seems to me that Apple struggle to bring out a new phone and new iOS at the same time perhaps if they were less ambitious users would have less issues.
Although part of me thinks there's an anti Apple element to the news releases which I understand from the arrogance of the hard earned Job's era. I ask myself why I have a stuttering default browser on an iPad that's less than two years old.
That sums it up nicely, Steve. It seems they don't have enough staff to work on OS X releases and iOS at the same time. I'll be avoiding Yosemite like the plague when that comes out. Apple used to get it right, iOS 7 was less buggy than this release tbh. Also Apples design team just don't think. A lot of people have complained of micro scratches on the curved corners of the iPhone 6, hardly surprising, considering before this model the glass was flat with a tiny chamfered edge, having a slightly raised and curved screen means the glass gets rubbed going in and out of pocket etc and even gorilla grass scratches.
My ipad 4 is hating iOS 8, but iOS 8 was a huge big bug fix so if you don't update, your device is left vulnerable to a bunch of nasty bugs. Safari is struggling, diagnostics is filled with 'jetsam' very low memory events, along with stacks-backboardd ones. Even the air isn't that happy for some it seems. Manufactures have reached stagnation point with what phones can do, so now we get all this extra cr@p and bloat to sell it each year. I wish they would just make phones that are designed for every day use, take some knocks and have good battery life. Do we really want a phone that can be mistaken for an after eight mint thickness wise? Then people wonder why the screen pops out of the corners as the aluminium body flexes :slap:
Quote from: Gary on Oct 04, 2014, 08:35:21
TI wish they would just make phones that are designed for every day use, take some knocks and have good battery life.
You can have a Nokia 106 for £5 in Asda http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nokia-106-5-asda-2014514
Quote from: Glenn on Oct 04, 2014, 08:50:27
You can have a Nokia 106 for £5 in Asda http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nokia-106-5-asda-2014514
Yeah...no! ;)
To be honest I think we've got the phones that we asked for, we wanted them thinner, we wanted them shatter proof with a quality build. So now we have thin aluminium frames, light weight screens and therefore is it any surprise that no matter who makes them that they bend given sufficient provication.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 2014, 10:06:43
To be honest I think we've got the phones that we asked for, we wanted them thinner, we wanted them shatter proof with a quality build. So now we have thin aluminium frames, light weight screens and therefore is it any surprise that no matter who makes them that they bend given sufficient provication.
Shame as I never wanted thin phones or aluminium ones, just robust ones. My 3GS was still the most comfortable to hold with its nice slightly curved plastic back. What we have now are high price form over function status symbols it appears.
My One M8 sits nicely in the hand in portrait mode, but is a little wide to use one handed in landscape mode. I'd prefer a little less height and a little more width, so I tbink the 6 would have been ideal, size wise. By comparison, my 4S now seems tiny!
Quote from: Simon on Oct 04, 2014, 12:54:31
My One M8 sits nicely in the hand in portrait mode, but is a little wide to use one handed in landscape mode. I'd prefer a little less height and a little more width, so I tbink the 6 would have been ideal, size wise. By comparison, my 4S now seems tiny!
The 6 is a nice size but to many bent phone screen popping out issues for my liking. A slight twist causes the screen to click in one the corners, not great. My friend has one now, gorgeous screen, shame its not 1080, but there you go. His headphone socket is uber tight and crackles and the screen pops in the top left hand corner. He awaiting a replacement, if this one does it he is keeping his 5 for now. Also he has a shadow and some yellowing from top to bottom. The phone is a perfect size though.
How to stop your iPhone 6 from bending http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYo72E7ZMHM :)x
Quote from: Glenn on Oct 05, 2014, 09:05:37
How to stop your iPhone 6 from bending http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYo72E7ZMHM :)x
;D
Perhaps Apple is losing it's way again.
Quality does appear to be slipping somewhat or maybe they've just been bolting new features/hardware drivers onto code that hasn't been rewritten since the initial product was launched which is now exposing some bugs?
Maybe they need to wait a couple of years before pushing out iPhone 7 and start from scratch?
I don't think they're losing their way, also they can't afford to wait a couple of years otherwise they'll lose market share. We expect a new version every year no matter who the manufacturer is, I think for Apple unless it's perfect they're fair game for criticism for a variety of reasons including fanboy expectations let's not forget the competition with Google Andorid is pretty fierce , if you don't try to innovate on both the hardware side and the software side you end up as a bit player akin to the once almighty Blackberry.
Apple must be doing something right, I still haven't managed to place an order due to stock shortages of the model I want.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Oct 05, 2014, 19:59:23
Apple must be doing something right, I still haven't managed to place an order due to stock shortages of the model I want.
People will line up to by any junk from Apple it seems... then complain about it on the forums ::)
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Oct 05, 2014, 19:59:23
Apple must be doing something right, I still haven't managed to place an order due to stock shortages of the model I want.
Might be all the peopel buying them to video them destroying it... :dunno:
It's ridiculous.
Quote from: Technical Ben on Oct 06, 2014, 08:04:46
Might be all the peopel buying them to video them destroying it... :dunno:
It's ridiculous.
I'll reserve judgement until I've finally got one to play around with. I have 14 days to see if I can make it bend to my will before I have to accept it or send it back! ;)
It seems to be the screen scratching that now is a worry, where it rolls down to meet the corners it gets constant wear on all four corners and the top of the screen gets more contact so can scratch too lots of pictures of that and a few review sites have mentioned how easy it is to scratch sadly. Unlike previous phones where the screen was flat it seems to be a design issue again. Also screen uniformity is a bit hit and miss along with reception in weak areas on some handsets. Typical Apple lottery.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6555765?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6547677?tstart=0
I must be lucky to have one which is absolutely fine given all the issue.
Quote from: Lance on Oct 06, 2014, 09:42:11
I must be lucky to have one which is absolutely fine given all the issue.
Either a miracle or you've been sold something else >:D
I wish they would put camera roll back as it was, some apps cant grab pictures now, camera roll made seeing your photos very easy without having to know when it was taken. Now you have recently taken, favourites and deleted, which is cluttered and awkward as not all photos from camera roll end up in recently taken of course when you update
On an impulse I tried to order a 32GB 5S today. Guess what? Sold out ::) I suppose they are filling the 32GB gap left by the 6 which is still out of stock. Looks like I'm going to have to get the home button on my 4 replaced as the phone is all but unusable. I would go with another provider but nobody can come anywhere near to competing with Tesco on multiple contracts. £30 per month for 3 phones for virtually unlimited everything is pretty decent.
But if they can't supply the phones... :-\
I don't think they are the only outlet with supply issues and I could join the waiting list but I keep changing my mind about what I want.
So what could possibly go wrong next, my iPhone ate my badger?...
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/forget-bendgate-now-hairgate-is-apples-latest-problem-with-the-iphone-6-9777301.html
::) ;D
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Oct 07, 2014, 06:34:23
So what could possibly go wrong next, my iPhone ate my badger?...
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/forget-bendgate-now-hairgate-is-apples-latest-problem-with-the-iphone-6-9777301.html
::) ;D
Nasty if you had have holes in your pocket and you go commando ;D
Quote from: Gary on Oct 07, 2014, 09:21:19
Nasty if you had have holes in your pocket and you go commando ;D
At least it won't fall through the hole if it's attached to your genitalia. Are you sure they're not pulling your plonker.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 07, 2014, 09:28:26
Are you sure they're not pulling your plonker.
It can do that too :o
Just discovered a nice little bug in iOS 8's photo app, when you sync events from your Mac it shows the images in a weird random order that changes with each re sync, yet looking at the events though other apps shows them in the correct order. ::) so my iPad and iPhone both show different event images in the photo app, this seems an unbelievably buggy release.
Did I also read somewhere that the Camera Roll has gone?
Quote from: Simon on Oct 07, 2014, 12:48:48
Did I also read somewhere that the Camera Roll has gone?
Yes Camera roll has gone but that's deliberate.
But it doesn't seem a popular move.
Once apps have been updated to look in the right place I don't think there will be an issue.
I agree Lance at least they are now in one place, and the Applications will catch up as they're updated.
Something I've observed is that apps don't seem to be getting updated for ios8 as quickly as updates for previous new versions have. Or maybe that's just me.
Seven was a big change though plus we had the Apple office package.
The thing is when you had Camera roll you had one nice place to look for all your images, now they are scattered about in 'collections' which makes it hard to find what you want. I think getting rid of it was a dumb move, and alot of people agree. Its not intuitive now, I have to scan back by date to find my pics from camera roll that are now mingled with pics from my events after the initial iOS 8 update, rather than just look in one place now. Recent pictures is ok if all your camera roll had been moved into it, which it wasn't. Apple are rapidly loosing me with buggy updates, form over function phones, and prohibitive cost for what is catch up hardware to bring it in line with Android phones. I dread the Yosemite update this year for OS X if iOS 8 is anything to go by.
Yes they are in collections, but the collections are in order aren't they? And you can easily scroll through an overview of all collections by year. So does not everything get added to collections?
Quote from: Lance on Oct 08, 2014, 09:44:03
Yes they are in collections, but the collections are in order aren't they? And you can easily scroll through an overview of all collections by year. So does not everything get added to collections?
It gets added to recently added and collections, the thing is if people send me pics I have no idea what year they were taken so older images where added to collections when updating to iOS8, not recent added, you have to remember lance I have memory issues with my medication, so remembering when a photo was taken is generally not easy. I have pics going back years and instead of having one place to look for ones that friends sent, I now have to look though collections as the metadata of when they took the image makes it a guessing game. I knew where all my images where in camera roll. Now I have to hunt though collections for older ones that iOS 8 relegated at update, look in recently added for new ones, select favourite ones which helps a bit, delete old ones from the recently deleted folder, its cluttered I feel. Thats just my view, I liked camera roll, it was simple.
The phrase, "If it ain't broke...", springs to mind.
Then again, the photos app on this HTC isn't anything to write home about.
On Android depending whether you choose to use Google or not, you end up with Gallery or whatever they wish to call it and online Photo. On line Photo is where Google creates your stories and enhances some of the pictures it likes. Not quite sure how it decides that but I've had some quite surprising and positive results but not they're for this thread.
Lol! I'm trying not to imagine! :laugh:
No, my photos are not with Google, at least, not to my knowledge. I'm trying to keep as much away from Google as possible.
I don't mind Google having them they are private so cannot be viewed by anyone except me unless they've nicked my log in details , the one advantage is that they are backed up. Sadly my photos are backed up to 3 cloud sites now, Google, Lookout and Sony.
Rumour mill is new iPads this year will maybe have 2Gb ram, if so that's my gadget upgrade and ill wait for iPhone 6S, my iPad 4 is running slow on iOS 8. I have found out turning off Spotlight search in Safari speeds safari up, but generally its a dog on my iPad 4. Where as my 5S runs iOS8 very well.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1798439
Quote from: Steve on Oct 08, 2014, 13:27:00
On Android depending whether you choose to use Google or not, you end up with Gallery or whatever they wish to call it and online Photo. On line Photo is where Google creates your stories and enhances some of the pictures it likes. Not quite sure how it decides that but I've had some quite surprising and positive results but not they're for this thread.
Possibly an army of workers on the internet? Or that AI that's apparently running it all by it's self now... :whistle:
I have noticed Safari doing odd things on my iPad since the last update. It has a tendency to throw the occasional fit and continually redraw a page. It also seems to have developed a strange lag on content rich pages. You can see it's loaded the content but it just sits there doing nothing instead of rendering it. 10 seconds later and it's there, drawn in a instant :dunno:
That's what I'm seeing as well.
For me turning off 'spotlight suggestions' in Safari has helped, its slowed the the JetamEvents logs in the diagnostic and useage section log too. Its still slower than iOS 7 but I think 8.1 which is being worked on now will help a lot and fixes bluetooth issues and the massive amount of the stacks+backboardd errors too. Definitely interested in new ipads this year if the rumours are true on the hardware side. iOS8 though seems to have been really rushed, out it feels like a beta in places..
Spotlight Suggestions was off by default for me and the only errors I can see appear to be due to unavailable thermal data :dunno:
There's definitely something not right, it's struggling to retrieve cached data on a page scroll. It's also shutting down on me (Safari). I thought it was me being careless but I think it's the app crashing.
Mines been better since I did a factory reset and then reloaded a backup, it doesn't take too long. In fact it's the first time this iPad has actually been connected to a computer in nearly two years.
I might give that a try :thumb:
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Oct 10, 2014, 13:34:57
Spotlight Suggestions was off by default for me and the only errors I can see appear to be due to unavailable thermal data :dunno:
There's definitely something not right, it's struggling to retrieve cached data on a page scroll. It's also shutting down on me (Safari). I thought it was me being careless but I think it's the app crashing.
odd mine was on by default. I may reset my iPad as Steve has suggested. If next week more powerful ones are announced I'll grab one as this is slow now two years is not great really.
I'm still getting an unresponsive touchscreen on a random basis for searches conducted from the address box in Safari, the results are displayed from Google but cannot be accessed. Searches conducted within Google itself however are fine.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 2014, 07:30:02
I'm still getting an unresponsive touchscreen on a random basis for searches conducted from the address box in Safari, the results are displayed from Google but cannot be accessed. Searches conducted within Google itself however are fine.
8.1 is rumoured to be out in October to support Apple pay ::) That may cure a lot of bugs. I'm not having any issues with the touch screen on my iPad 4 in the address bar, Steve. Maybe try using it as set up from new to see if that cures the issue. :dunno:
Sadly it's random and not even key word specific, keyword search results are displayed but the links are occasionally inaccessible. Shame really as it ruins the browsing experience when you have to use the phone or the laptop to find what you want.
I shan't be buying a new iPad until I'm convinced they've sorted their OS out.
I'm getting cross with this IPad now,I'm sick to death of search requests causing Safari to crash. I may try setup as new device as a final test. I can see another Sony purchase on the cards certainly the Z3 is a lot quicker than my current IPad and a lot less hassle.
Apple should provide a way to revert back to the previous OS on older devices. I'm sure the poor experience with older hardware is purposeful to make you upgrade the device.
Indeed Simon or buy something else.
Well, I did, and you have. I wonder how many others have? I really feel that Apple have dropped the ball this year.
Quote from: Simon on Oct 12, 2014, 19:14:40
Well, I did, and you have. I wonder how many others have? I really feel that Apple have dropped the ball this year.
Or the Apple has fallen from the tree?
Gone rotten?
I think the competition have probably in many ways caught up. Two years ago Apple were streets ahead in terms of tablets probably less so with phones, but now I think the differences are much more subtle and for me blind faith has never been enough. Time will tell I shan't be making a hasty decision.
Apple made tablets and phones cool and desirable at a time when people wanted something more from a phone but couldn't put their finger on it.
I'm wondering if Apple are putting manufacturers under so much pressure to reduce cost per unit in order to increase their margin that quality is being compromised.
Perhaps they are preparing themselves for the time when the iPhone doesn't sell that well anymore which maybe why they bought Beats, in the hope of securing a guaranteed revenue stream?
I'm also getting really annoyed with Safari. I keep getting a white screen returned on a search which I'm fairly sure is linked to the same issue I get when I scroll a page (white space, no content). Pages also jump around like the proverbial cat on a hot tin roof. I'm now not sure if the page is being redrawn or just moved/paged in memory but it's happening a lot.
I would definitely go back to 7.x if I could.
I still think iOS, generally speaking, is streets ahead of Android, in terms of usability. Android does most of what iOS does, but it doesn't have the intuitive qualities that iOS has, and it also needs quite a bit of tweaking to get it functioning satisfactorily, whereas iOS 'just works' virtually out of the box.
I agree with that Simon however the ability to tweak like you can with Android I find quite liberating.
Have you rooted your phone, Steve?
I've just ordered a 64Gb OnePlus One http://oneplus.net/, after receiving an invite yesterday. Hopefully it should be delivered later in the week.
That look's pretty cool, Glenn. It will be interesting to know how it performs, and what the build quality is like.
I'm sure you've seen this, Glenn: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/oneplus-one-1244307/review
Quote from: Simon on Oct 12, 2014, 21:00:08
Have you rooted your phone, Steve?
No , it messes up with the camera software on mine, you lose some DRM keys.
The OnePlusOne certainly is value for money.
Quote from: Simon on Oct 12, 2014, 22:23:15
I'm sure you've seen this, Glenn: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/oneplus-one-1244307/review
Simon, yes I did read the review. They are hoping to get into full production soon, 30000 pre-orders were snapped up within a day last week.
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/10/15/apple-leaked-details-ipad-air-2-ipad-mini-3-itunes/
I suppose you're not meant to sit on them either. ::) :evil:
Quote from: Simon on Oct 15, 2014, 22:55:52
I suppose you're not meant to sit on them either. ::) :evil:
Actually, no. Thats a big bit of glass... ;) Great tea tray though
My lad still has an iPad 1, which I use occasionally, and it still does all the basics perfectly well. It also still has the old YouTube app, which is much better than the one in iOS 7 onwards.
Quote from: Simon on Oct 16, 2014, 10:39:51
My lad still has an iPad 1, which I use occasionally, and it still does all the basics perfectly well. It also still has the old YouTube app, which is much better than the one in iOS 7 onwards.
Depends on what apps you use I guess, it has very little ram and no retina screen, also many apps now will only run on iOS 7 and 8. Everyone's mileage varies. I use mine more than my Mac.I use pages and numbers as well. As I said its more as my personal computer these days and 256mb of ram would not be enough for many new apps. I use it for skype and facetime alot as well as creating music. As to the youtube app I like the new one, I can watch what's on my ipad directly on my TV which has the youtube app built in so I can set up play lists. Also iCloud is important with pages.
Looks like Apple pay is not going to have an easy ride.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/25/7069863/retailers-are-disabling-nfc-readers-to-shut-out-apple-pay
I wonder how Apple feel seeing others lock them out of a "garden"? You can't have your cake and eat it... if Apple decide to only support their own stuff, then are other companies not going to follow suit?
However don't forget people with IPhones tend to have money to spend, the banks and credit card companies like Apple pay.
They seem to be clamping down on Googles NFC pay system too. The joys of competition amongst shops who are working on their own scheme and gadget manufactures :laugh:
Of course it's the sellers trying to avoid fees on credit card transactions that will be charged via Apple pay, their scheme I guess is direct debit from the customers bank account.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 27, 2014, 12:17:29
Of course it's the sellers trying to avoid fees on credit card transactions that will be charged via Apple pay, their scheme I guess is direct debit from the customers bank account.
I imagine it will be. That puts Google and Apple out in the cold and big chain stores wont be opening arms widely now, I think NFC payments via the phone was doomed long before Apple finally adopted it.
But people like credit cards , a lot of people probably don't own the phone they're paying with so if NFC takes off I suspect there will be a role for Apple/Google pay.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 27, 2014, 13:24:28
But people like credit cards , a lot of people probably don't own the phone they're paying with so if NFC takes off I suspect there will be a role for Apple/Google pay.
I think many stores want their own apps on phones for paying rather than NFC via Apple/Google.
I fully expect Visa, Mastercard and American Express will have something in the works.
Regarding the OnePlusOne. anyone else think it's a little too good to be true and something else is going on here?