Will Idnet escape the clutches of The Digital Economy Act ?

[dujas]

Adrian Kennard has two more opinion based articles on his blog about the Act, here and here.

[Rik]

I'd like a legal option myself.

[kinmel]

OTOH, their service/communications provider customer, eg me, would be, presumably?

Yes, but under the ACT AAISP can simply ignore any letters regarding people to whom they are not an ISP, which is you !

How can they find you if the Act means every letter is ignored, especially once it gets silly and you resell to me and I resell to you and you resell to AAISP all at a notional 1p a month.

"Round and round" said Zebedee,"round and round" 

[Rik]

Papertrails, eh?

Actually, if the RevK is right, all we need do is set up a company in the Isle of Man, because the legislation only applies to the UK

[dujas]

End result the cost of Internet access in the UK goes up to cover the ISP's extra administrative burden in enforcing this Act. The copyright holders go back to the legal process of court orders, as any ISP if they want to be awkward, can easily side-step the legislation by quibbling over what the Act's definition of a subscriber means 

[zappaDPJ]

I think you are right.

I've spent some time rereading the act and I still maintain that without a court order it's all smoke and mirrors. There does however appear to be some provision within the Act, or rather an amendment to the Communications Act, that implies a disclosure can be demanded without the need for a court order, that can't possibly be right can it?

The parts that pertains to a graduated response scheme are just a big How on earth can it be constitutionally correct to require ISPs to act as judge and jury on file sharing? Send me a letter telling my I've downloaded data subject to copyright law illegally and I'll see you in court. I'll be the one applying for disclosure and anything else I think I can get out of it. It's a potential minefield for ISPs.

[Rik]

I've spent some time rereading the act and I still maintain that without a court order it's all smoke and mirrors.

That's how Mandy works, of course.

[pdu]

I still find it utterly hilarious how a crook who isn't an MP because no moron in their right mind would vote for him at a local election can be given the power to decide over the digital fate of many.

[Rik]

I wish it was hilarious, but Mandy's appointment is about the most damaging thing to happen to democracy in my lifetime.

[Gary]

I wish it was hilarious, but Mandy's appointment is about the most damaging thing to happen to democracy in my lifetime.

He may be gone soon, but I bet he defects to whoever wins by having one over on any leader at any time, he is a dangerous man.

[Rik]

Very, Gary. He not only knows where the bodies are buried, he often helped to bury them.

[pdu]

You mean other than Alan Sugar? I can't believe they had the balls to use the title Tsar, I knew Brown was a communist lowlife, but that was just taking the biscuit!

[Gary]

Very, Gary. He not only knows where the bodies are buried, he often helped to bury them.

He reminds me of a slimy Francis Urquhart character, but without the sincere evil that character possessed

[Rik]

No, I grant you that, he's totally insincere, but just as evil.

[Rik]

You mean other than Alan Sugar? I can't believe they had the balls to use the title Tsar, I knew Brown was a communist lowlife, but that was just taking the biscuit!

They do like that title, don't they.

[Gary]

No, I grant you that, he's totally insincere, but just as evil.

True re-thinking that show made me think yup he is that evil 

[Rik]

Though you could, sneakily, like Urquhart.

[Gary]

You mean other than Alan Sugar? I can't believe they had the balls to use the title Tsar, I knew Brown was a communist lowlife, but that was just taking the biscuit!

Brown is as far removed from Communism as he is from real life.

[Gary]

Though you could, sneakily, like Urquhart.

Thats true, there was something to admire about his manner and the way he orchestrated his deeds, I loved that programme...

[Rik]

Brown is as far removed from Communism as he is from real life.

Ground Control to Major Tom
Your circuit's dead, there's something wrong

[Rik]

Thats true, there was something to admire about his manner and the way he orchestrated his deeds, I loved that programme...

It was brilliant, wasn't it.

[Gary]

Ground Control to Major Tom
Your circuit's dead, there's something wrong

[Gary]

It was brilliant, wasn't it.

Indeed it was Rik, although I fear Mandy has watched it too

[Rik]

I suspect he supplied the inside information.

[zappaDPJ]

You mean other than Alan Sugar? I can't believe they had the balls to use the title Tsar, I knew Brown was a communist lowlife, but that was just taking the biscuit!

I suppose they felt 'Tsar' had more of a ring to it than than 'Obnoxious East End Barrow Boy Purveyor of Tat'