Lion

Steve · Jul 21, 2011, 07:35:03

Well that was all fairly painless so far,30 minute install time plus a period of spotlight indexing after first boot slows things down a tad. Everything's working as far as I can tell,need to get the hang of the new trackpad gestures.

Gary · Jul 21, 2011, 07:43:57

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 2011, 07:35:03
Well that was all fairly painless so far,30 minute install time plus a period of spotlight indexing after first boot slows things down a tad. Everything's working as far as I can tell,need to get the hang of the new trackpad gestures.

No issues with mail or smart drive status? Noticed a lot of iMacs with smart drive problems using lion, and mail not working. I have facetime and seems to be issues with that as well for some, really think its just worth staying with SL until a point update, bleeding edge tech is not a place I like, not for any computer, to old for that these days. Its interesting to see it work well on someone's iMac though. Did you keep a backyp or sl on time machine as a just in case?

Gary · Jul 21, 2011, 07:55:57

Quote from: Technical Ben on Jul 20, 2011, 22:09:49
Garry, yet for the price I still can't justify it. For example, I went AMD over Intel, as I got a quad core for a much lower price. Unless I'm comparing apples for oranges. In which case all the benchmarks in the world mean nothing if real world use and speed differs from the benchmarks.
Most my software I use is free opensource, free shareware or free indy when it comes to Graphics. Then there are PC games. Even the little £5 ones I get, would not work in most instances. So the savings from not needing to purchase a separate Xbox (most games get ported to pc) or PS3, plus the free software as I cannot afford Adobe, is far too great a draw for me.

Its down to personal usage, I just use pages on the iMac not any office style app, I dont play games on the machine, and the quad core i7 2600s works very well everything opens fast and I can pretty much fill my destktop with open apps with no slowdown, but I just have simple needs and after being really angrty with the QC of iMacs Apple are pulling out stops for me (again) so CS is something I will say is second to none. I still have time to swap to windows, Justina says I will regret it, she may be right I am used to the machine just working as is. I only game on a console gaming on a pc is not my cup of tea, even if I bought the windows machine the sandybridge is so much faster than the AMD quads that the extra cost would be worth it. It all varies on what you use a computer for, I use pixlelmator for photo work not adobe stuff so all runs in harmony, for me its the hardware issue that get to me with iMacs, and this stupid way of upgrading, tbh if I keep the retched thing I'll update with the memory stick when that comes out in August.

I see your point, its just what you do with your machine and what your needs are that dictate if a Mac works for you or not.

Gary · Jul 21, 2011, 07:59:11

Steve how about Flash? There are some issues with Flash player and 10.7 as Adobe have not updated for 10.7 yet, its in the hugs list of what does not work Adobe wise for 10.7 this includes bugs with the Java runtime you can install with 10.7 not being recognised by some programs it appears.

Steve · Jul 21, 2011, 08:03:01

It's on my MBP Gary, its not touching my iMac yet as that's a workhorse for my wife. Seriously no issues so far once the indexing had finished,mail's working including exchange server, FaceTime don't use so can't comment. Love the 2 finger swipe between pages in Safari.

I took a clone of the HDD before installed, I also moved a copy of the Lion install dmg to another folder.

Gary · Jul 21, 2011, 08:06:27

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 2011, 08:03:01
It's on my MBP Gary, its not touching my iMac yet as that's a workhorse for my wife. Seriously no issues so far once the indexing had finished,mail's working including exchange server, FaceTime don't use so can't comment. Love the 2 finger swipe between pages in Safari.

I took a clone of the HDD before installed, I also moved a copy of the Lion install dmg to another folder.

Thanks Steve, I'll wait for point update I think for safety. Also for Adobe it get Flash working without hogging cpu on Macs

although that seems an oxymoron, Justina is in the middle of looking for new jobs online so messing up is not a good move, thanks for your update experience though

Steve · Jul 21, 2011, 08:07:05

Quote from: Gary on Jul 21, 2011, 07:59:11
Steve how about Flash? There are some issues with Flash player and 10.7 as Adobe have not updated for 10.7 yet, its in the hugs list of what does not work Adobe wise for 10.7 this includes bugs with the Java runtime you can install with 10.7 not being recognised by some programs it appears.

I've not tried flash yet and Evernote seems to working following the java runtime install. I've got a pretty standard MBP with no previous hacks.

Gary · Jul 21, 2011, 08:19:36

Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 2011, 08:07:05
I've not tried flash yet and Evernote seems to working following the java runtime install. I've got a pretty standard MBP with no previous hacks.

My newest iMac only has FF on it as a non Mac program so all should be ok, but I'll wait a) to see if we can get it cleaned up b) till a point release just for safety .1 or .2 but not before. I did see some people having issues with using a burned dmg due to serial number checking or something but yesterday was chaos with people trying to grab the damn update, typical server overload and probably peeps updating Macs with to many hacks, also it is early days for Lion, bound to be some issues. I wonder if Bill took the plunge?

Steve · Jul 21, 2011, 08:40:39

I know some people have issues but some I despair off it's as if the deliberately try to cock things up and then complain. I think certainly with this release a week or two should show up any consistent issues so at least then you shouldn't get any surprises. I don't worry what I install on the MBP it doesn't matter it's not critical

Technical Ben · Jul 21, 2011, 09:17:13

Duh. I'm stupid. I just realised thy the mem stick costs more. The download requires Snow Leopard. So it's only an upgrade price. The mem stick is a full install is it not? Hmmm. Although, if the mem stick is only an upgrade too, then it's not really fair.

Stevescat · Jul 21, 2011, 09:28:09

I wasn't going to upgrade, but I couldn't stop myself!!! If you have a fast internet connection and downloading GBs of data isn't going to mess with your monthly allowance, then it's a breeze! After the download has finished DON'T INSTALL! Find the download, copy the disk image. Make a bootable Lion disk from this image. Installation was about 30 minutes. After the first reboot spotlight does some indexing (takes quite awhile). I changed the scroll back to how it functioned in SL. Made a couple of tweeks to folder views - Status bar at bottom.
Hardly had any time to play yet, but not sure about Launchpad. It's the Dock wrapped in iOS clothes - but you can only delete apps from the App store, so all the other icons that have been added you can't remove - V. BAD!. Java is an additional download. That's it for now, no obvious problems (yet!)

Steve

Gary · Jul 21, 2011, 09:34:24

Quote from: Technical Ben on Jul 21, 2011, 09:17:13
Duh. I'm stupid. I just realised thy the mem stick costs more. The download requires Snow Leopard. So it's only an upgrade price. The mem stick is a full install is it not? Hmmm. Although, if the mem stick is only an upgrade too, then it's not really fair.

From what I know the Memory stick is a full install.

Stevescat · Jul 21, 2011, 09:35:53

Quote from: Technical Ben on Jul 21, 2011, 09:17:13
Duh. I'm stupid. I just realised thy the mem stick costs more. The download requires Snow Leopard. So it's only an upgrade price. The mem stick is a full install is it not? Hmmm. Although, if the mem stick is only an upgrade too, then it's not really fair.

I'm pretty sure the Lion you get from the app store and the one you will be able to buy on a mem stick are the same. There is no upgrade version. You need SL to run the App Store.

Gary · Jul 21, 2011, 09:40:15

Quote from: Stevescat on Jul 21, 2011, 09:28:09
I wasn't going to upgrade, but I couldn't stop myself!!! If you have a fast internet connection and downloading GBs of data isn't going to mess with your monthly allowance, then it's a breeze! After the download has finished DON'T INSTALL! Find the download, copy the disk image. Make a bootable Lion disk from this image. Installation was about 30 minutes. After the first reboot spotlight does some indexing (takes quite awhile). I changed the scroll back to how it functioned in SL. Made a couple of tweeks to folder views - Status bar at bottom.
Hardly had any time to play yet, but not sure about Launchpad. It's the Dock wrapped in iOS clothes - but you can only delete apps from the App store, so all the other icons that have been added you can't remove - V. BAD!. Java is an additional download. That's it for now, no obvious problems (yet!)

Steve

My iMac has facetime built in, it came with it (10.6.7, i7 Thunderbolt iMac) Do you use facetime? I still think it will be prudent to wait for 10.7.1. or.2 since its such a big update with full ASLR and sandboxing, so far security looks very good http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/21/mac_os_x_lion_security/ which is great, but also there are going to be bugs and waiting for a few to be ironed out I think is a good move.

Gary · Jul 21, 2011, 09:41:40

Quote from: Stevescat on Jul 21, 2011, 09:35:53
I'm pretty sure the Lion you get from the app store and the one you will be able to buy on a mem stick are the same. There is no upgrade version. You need SL to run the App Store.

Who knows but getting hold of SL maybe hard for those wanting to go to Lion so a full installer would make sense for Apple to release.

Stevescat · Jul 21, 2011, 09:47:45

From what I've read Gary I think I could use my Lion bootable disk I created, and install Lion on a machine with Leopard only (although this breaks the letter of the law because Apple says you need a SL license).

Steve

Gary · Jul 21, 2011, 10:28:13

Quote from: Stevescat on Jul 21, 2011, 09:47:45
From what I've read Gary I think I could use my Lion bootable disk I created, and install Lion on a machine with Leopard only (although this breaks the letter of the law because Apple says you need a SL license).

Steve

Cheers for that bit of info, Steve.

Steve · Jul 21, 2011, 10:45:43

My first niggle Launchpad

Technical Ben · Jul 21, 2011, 10:50:15

Quote from: Gary on Jul 21, 2011, 09:34:24
From what I know the Memory stick is a full install.

Full install, but I guess it's still an "upgrade" licence, as you cannot get a mac without OS installed.

Glenn · Jul 21, 2011, 11:19:22

You can make one though

Technical Ben · Jul 21, 2011, 12:08:29

Quote from: Gary on Jul 21, 2011, 07:55:57
...and the quad core i7 2600s works very well everything opens fast and I can pretty much fill my destktop with open apps with no slowdown...

I keep forgetting that iMacs use intel chips now.

Still, it would ahve cost me more than £650.

Oh Glenn, I think the days of Hackintosh are limited though...

[edit]
Actually, the MacMini would probably not be too bad. It's still a couple hundred more though when adding a display etc. It has the spec, and the size is excellent. Not sure on the GPU though. However, after I broke a usb port on my laptop, I decided never to get a fully integrated computing device again for general use. I had no way of repairing the part, without replacing the entire laptop. The main reason for my PC is replaceable components, and software and games that don't port to Mac.

pctech · Jul 21, 2011, 15:10:58

Anyone know if Lion is being preinstalled on new Macs now?

lozcart · Jul 21, 2011, 15:52:57

It is Mitch, even if you did get a Mac from old stock with Snow Leopard installed you can get a free download by contacting Apple.

pctech · Jul 21, 2011, 16:38:55

Thanks, only asking as a customer was asking about software compatibility.

Steve · Jul 21, 2011, 17:18:44

Only intel Apps are compatible with Lion ,universal Apps which required Rosetta on SL will not run.