Filtered faceplate and RJ11

Ted · Jan 07, 2008, 16:05:53

Rather than move the router downstairs which would be very inconvenient, i thought i'd do this......
Fit an ADSLnation filtered faceplate to the NTe5 box and run a double shielded RJ11 cable to the router upstairs (about 7or 8 meters)and disconnect the extension, no more need for it.
Any problems with that??
Also, i've been synced at 7616 for the last 19 days and reading one of the docs from the FAQ pages it would appear that 7616 is the highest attainable with interleaving turned on. Is this correct?
Should i ask for interleaving to be turned off?

Rik · Jan 07, 2008, 16:11:24

I'd use Cat5 or Cat6 to do the cable run, rather than CW1308, Ted. Other than that, it should work fine.

7616 is the highest notional sync with interleaving on, but some DSLAMs will actually sync at 8128. Whether you want to get it turned off really depends on your error count. If it's reasonably low, then it might be worthwhile, though I doubt you'll notice any gain in speed - but pings should improve if they matter to you.

Ted · Jan 07, 2008, 16:28:35

Do you mean cat5 cable with rj11 plugs on both ends?

Ted · Jan 07, 2008, 16:31:19

AH i think you mean this click

would one of These from ADSLnation be ok?

Rik · Jan 07, 2008, 16:39:17

The ADSL nation would be nearer the mark, Ted, but I was thinking of a standard Cat5 run, and crimping on the RJ11 connectors. OTOH, if the 10m is adequate, that's a quick solution. The twist of Cat5 is much tighter than CW1308, so will keep interference pick up to a minimum.

Ted · Jan 07, 2008, 16:51:47

I could make one, i have the tools as i usually make up my own patch cables. The ADSLnation one looks good to me though, it states twisted and foiled to cat5e standard, would also be more than long enough at 10m.
I'll get ordering then

Rik · Jan 07, 2008, 16:53:10

I'm sure it will do just nicely.

Sebby · Jan 07, 2008, 18:26:55

I believe ADSL Nation sell 10m twisted pair with RJ11 connectors, if you don't fancy making your own. :-)

Rik · Jan 07, 2008, 18:37:22

That's what Ted has ordered, Sebby.

Ted · Jan 07, 2008, 18:42:00

Tried to order the faceplate and cable earlier but just my luck the checkout facility has thrown a wobbly and gone on strike!!
Gave them a call and they are "looking into it"

Never mind try again tomorrow.

Rik · Jan 07, 2008, 18:44:43

It's only trying to save you money, Ted.

Ted · Jan 07, 2008, 18:51:09

Ah yes! But on the other hand "No Pay(n) no gain"

Sebby · Jan 07, 2008, 18:52:22

Quote from: Rik on Jan 07, 2008, 18:37:22
That's what Ted has ordered, Sebby.

I must learn to read more thoroughly when browsing the forum on my mobile...

Ted · Jan 09, 2008, 21:27:38

Faceplate and cable arrived today from Adsl Nation and have been fitted. Still syncing at 7616, the NM seems to be pretty stable at 12 and has been for a while dropping slightly in the evenings, perhaps 11 and sometimes 10. What would be an acceptable amount of errors?
The attenuation has also dropped from 27.6 to 26.4

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Sebby · Jan 09, 2008, 23:34:31

The best thing to do is post your errors and we can have a look.

Basically, you needn't worry about corrected errors; it's the uncorrected errors that can be a problem. It's difficult to put a figure on it, but usually by looking I can say whether it's fine or excessively high.

Ted · Jan 10, 2008, 00:13:25

OK i'll give it a few days and post the figures

g7pkf · Jan 11, 2008, 21:01:12

Everyone keeps on about adsl nation faceplates now my 2 cents worth.

I have one and had it installed for a week then i had the oppertunity to try one of these:-

http://www.solwise.co.uk/adsl_splitters.htm

for me it was better.

No you read right better than the adsl nation.

so i took both apart-I am a qualified electronics engineer (hnd) and have an hnc in telecommunications.

the build of the clarity was much better just visually-the components were better quality.

Not saying the adsl nation was not better than the "standard" just the clarity beet it hands down.

Sorry to upset (if i do) just feel that people should have the benefit of my many many many line problems and attempts to fix them...and yes my line is now stable, much to BT SFI team who were very "pi***d" that using a third party piece of equipment (along with a "hacked" router-a 2700HGV) solved my issues when they had run out of ideas and 14 visits from them including 2 from an engineer from martlesham and 3 different special filters.

Regards

Dean G7PKF

Ann · Jan 11, 2008, 21:09:47

I got this one.. hadn't heard of adsl nation then..

http://www.clarity.it/xcart/product.php?productid=16134&cat=262&page=1

g7pkf · Jan 11, 2008, 21:21:25

Well done you found the link to the other one i tried (i couldnt find it)

and yes they are esentially the same (results were at least)

and yes i got my company to pay for all these tests (including the purchase of 18 different routers)

I integrated my problems with testing equipment for my companies VOIP hosted services.

IN other words i am not "loaded" with money to burn.

Dean

G7PKF

Ted · Jan 11, 2008, 21:33:08

Quote from: g7pkf on Jan 11, 2008, 21:01:12
Everyone keeps on about adsl nation faceplates now my 2 cents worth.

I have one and had it installed for a week then i had the oppertunity to try one of these:-

http://www.solwise.co.uk/adsl_splitters.htm

for me it was better.

No you read right better than the adsl nation.

so i took both apart-I am a qualified electronics engineer (hnd) and have an hnc in telecommunications.

the build of the clarity was much better just visually-the components were better quality.

Not saying the adsl nation was not better than the "standard" just the clarity beet it hands down.

Sorry to upset (if i do) just feel that people should have the benefit of my many many many line problems and attempts to fix them...and yes my line is now stable, much to BT SFI team who were very "pi***d" that using a third party piece of equipment (along with a "hacked" router-a 2700HGV) solved my issues when they had run out of ideas and 14 visits from them including 2 from an engineer from martlesham and 3 different special filters.

Regards

Dean G7PKF

I think you should calm down a little bit

your post sounds very stressed. Its only an internet connection!!

"Visually the components were better quality"
How?

"Not saying the adsl nation was not better than the "standard" just the clarity beet it hands down."
Sorry i don't understand!?

Ted

g7pkf · Jan 11, 2008, 21:40:06

Im not stressed, far from it glass of wine in hand.

the components were proper transformers and the components were laid out with isolation in mind

the solwise was better than the adslnation which in turn was better than a "standard" the difference in performance (adsl-voice isolation snr attenuation etc) was minimal but there was a small difference.

I must add ann's clarity post just prompted me to go look and i have the clarity fitted at the moment on the main line.

an unstressed G7PKF currently drinking wine and building a nixie clock which i just got working so i had to mention it

Ted · Jan 11, 2008, 21:47:04

Is this better on just your line or would i be better off with one of these?

So is it a "clarity" or a "solwise" filter you have?

Lance · Jan 11, 2008, 22:47:41

It's always good to have more opinions on the forum, even if they go against the grain!

I wonder if the adslnation ones are now not being made to quite the same standard as they once were, or whether the solwise one has been improved to better the adslnation?

Ted · Jan 11, 2008, 23:05:51

Is that the Solwise or the Clarity or are they the same thing? Could someone please "clarify"

Lance · Jan 11, 2008, 23:17:14

I think Solwise and Clarity are completely different companies, and therefore the filters are different (although perform the same function).

I believe BT do/used to provide Solwise filters with their products.