The arguments have started....

madasahatter · Apr 02, 2008, 03:31:28

SO - is Phorm legal......or not?

Phorm

Simon · Apr 02, 2008, 08:05:57

I thought it had already been decided that it is.

madasahatter · Apr 02, 2008, 08:13:20

Maybe could have worded that better Simon - maybe it was the trials already carried out (without consent from the punters) that could be challenged. they have admitted to 2 secret trials - how many more did they do?

Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA), intercepting Internet traffic without a warrant or consent is considered an offence, so they have clearly gone against that, and will continue to do so if they go for the "opt out" method of conscription rather than "opt in".

This bit did amuse me though:

"both companies have said the technology complies with UK law as customers have to give informed consent to use the technology.

BT has said that customers will be issued with amended terms and conditions before any eventual roll out of the technology. "

The peeps in the trial certainly didn't give informed consent - where were BTs "amended terms and conditions" for them?

I really really hope that some of those very peeps band together and give BT a right royal kick up the backside.

Rik · Apr 02, 2008, 08:50:21

As far as I can tell, the trials were illegal under RIPA as there was no consultation or consent, in fact BT say they didn't tell people deliberately. I would love to see that come to court.

madasahatter · Apr 02, 2008, 08:53:01

Quote from: Rik on Apr 02, 2008, 08:50:21
I would love to see that come to court.

Me too - it's time the high and mighty BT was taken down a peg or three...

Rik · Apr 02, 2008, 09:28:44

Maybe we should all write to our MPs. I'm sure they'd like to divert attention from themselves.

madasahatter · Apr 02, 2008, 14:08:39

On the other hand, they wouldn't want to upset big business would they?

Rik · Apr 02, 2008, 14:09:49

That depends on how much interest we are taking in their expenses at the time.

madasahatter · Apr 02, 2008, 14:12:59

Good thinking Batman - right - let's do some digging

Rik · Apr 02, 2008, 14:30:37

Pass me that FoIA application form.

Rik · Apr 04, 2008, 10:28:21

If you want to watch some good squirming, then:

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_technology/bt+spies+on+customers/1933047

Emma Sanderson being interviewed on Channel 4.

madasahatter · Apr 04, 2008, 12:14:33

priceless

errr errrrm errrrrrr

Inactive · Apr 04, 2008, 12:22:45

Pathetic, I bet she is on over a £100,000 a year.

Rik · Apr 04, 2008, 12:27:44

She'll be promoted after that performance!

Inactive · Apr 04, 2008, 12:32:49

Surely BT could have found a credible individual for an interview amongst their masses.

Erm er erm er

Rik · Apr 04, 2008, 12:34:36

Isn't that an oxymoron, In?

Inactive · Apr 04, 2008, 12:36:45

Probably Rik, dam fine washing powder as well..

Rik · Apr 04, 2008, 12:46:30

Amazing stuff, that white powder...

Inactive · Apr 04, 2008, 13:07:35

Our age is showing Rik.

Rik · Apr 04, 2008, 13:09:12

I know. It's when I remember all the words to the Pepsodent jingle I really begin to feel it.

Inactive · Apr 04, 2008, 13:14:58

Ditto.. ( and I can ).

Rik · Apr 04, 2008, 14:32:35

... and Hoover!

Inactive · Apr 04, 2008, 16:14:55

Can't remember that one in total, just beats as it sweeps as it cleans..

Rik · Apr 04, 2008, 16:18:31

That's the bit I remember too - odd how one sticks in the entirety, the other only partially. OTOH, both have stuck with us for the best part of 50 years, which is probably longer than any modern ad will.

Simon · Apr 04, 2008, 21:37:46

Strangely, the interview seems to have disappeared.